22 thoughts on “Lee Moves North, 1862

  1. Andy Hall July 26, 2012 / 4:16 pm

    The video crashed partway through for me, but from what I saw, it’s that it inadvertently reveals that Lee had a time machine, that allowed him to brief his commanders with a map that wasn’t actually published until decades later, in a portfolio to accompany the Official Records. This, in turn, opens Lee to criticism (“You had a time machine and you used it to go to effing Barnes & Noble?I?“), so Ted Turner nixed it.

  2. Roger E Watson July 26, 2012 / 4:34 pm

    Let me count the ways !!!!

  3. wgdavis July 26, 2012 / 4:38 pm

    I guess the Gods and the Generals didn’t think it worthy. What a shame. It was integral footage.

  4. Dimitri Rotov July 26, 2012 / 6:08 pm

    My top 10 list:

    (1) Egregious errors re the St. Patricio Bn in the Mexican War (Chamberlain / Irish NCO chat).
    (2) Ascribing plebeian Boston accents to Boston Brahmins (who spoke/speak Mid-Atlantic English)
    (3) One badly faked Southern accent after another.
    (4) Exploding cannonballs.
    (5) Gaudy, clean, pressed uniforms.
    (6) Deaf Longstreet responding to quiet voices.
    (7) Really old troops of the line.
    (8) Rebs forgot to besiege Harpers Ferry
    (9) McClellan unconvincing as a screechy-voiced pipsqueak – audiences would be outraged.
    (10) No story arc for central character Chamberlain.

    The uniforms reminded me of a Mitch Hedberg joke.

    “This shirt is dry-clean only. That means this shirt is dirty!” Shame they didn’t have the budget to wear dirty uniforms.

    • Dimitri Rotov July 26, 2012 / 6:36 pm

      A few more:

      (a) Maine troops with Boston accents
      (b) Linear formations too tight
      (c) Green cornfields in mid-September
      (d) Film consultant Brooks Simpson nixed the fake council of war dialog.

      • tonygunter July 30, 2012 / 10:19 am

        I dunno man, I’m at Antietam right now and the corn looks really green.

      • tonygunter July 30, 2012 / 11:05 am

        I dunno, man. I’m at Antietam now, and the corn looks really green! Want me to pick an ear to test it? 🙂

        • Dimitri Rotov July 31, 2012 / 6:37 pm

          Tony! It’s July!

          Reminds me of another Mitch Hedberg joke. He sees a wino eating a bunch of grapes. He stops and says, “Dude, you have to wait!”

          In this case until Sept 16 or so.

          • Tony Gunter August 2, 2012 / 11:23 am

            It’s August! And by green, I mean the ears are really diminuitive. I picked an ear just out of curiosity, and the silk was brown and the corn looked ripe, but it was maybe 1/4 the size of an ear of corn in Mississippi.

            A funny thing happened to me on the way out of Sharpsburg, by the way. I had been on the road maybe five minutes, driving towards South Mountain at 50 mph, when I passed an antebellum home with a sign outside: “McClellan’s Headquarters.” Dude. Why didn’t he just keep his HQ in Washington? 🙂

  5. Joshua Horn July 26, 2012 / 8:02 pm

    13 minutes. I think that pretty much sums it up.

    But it was a much weaker scene. You didn’t really get a sense of the important parts of the battle like at Manassas, Fredericksburg and Chancellorsville (although those of course were far from complete) At Antietam all you got was that it was a pretty hard fight in a cornfield, a bunch of cannons exploded, and the Yanks didn;t loose all their troops.

    The peach for Jackson rather than the standard lemon was a nice touch though…

    • John Foskett July 27, 2012 / 10:01 am

      Actually, it appears that the entire battle was fought a few miles east of Des Moines.

  6. Steve Basic July 27, 2012 / 1:32 am

    3 things stick out with me…If you look at the sub-titles, the battle was not fought on September 19th. Lee did not see his son at the Cornfield, but during Burnside’s attack later in the afternoon. Last but not least, the scripted scenes with Lee and his officers shows no emotion, and sucked. But that’s just me.

  7. John Foskett July 27, 2012 / 6:45 am

    All of these things are easily explained. That ain’t Antietam you’re watching. It’s a fight that took place on September 19, 1862. Talk about mailing it in……

  8. jfepperson July 27, 2012 / 7:06 am

    Well, I saw no evidence of Lee’s hand injuriy, and the scroll indicated that Antietam was fought on Sept. 19, not the 17th.

  9. Bill Newcomer July 27, 2012 / 7:31 am

    Looking at this from a cinema perspective, another 13 minutes to an already overly long film that bombed at the box office….. The saving thing was when G&G bombed, we were spared being brought to tears at having to endure a like make of “Last Full Measure”….

    • John Foskett July 27, 2012 / 9:59 am

      Amen to that, Until I saw that flightless turkey, I had thought that Lincoln freed the slaves. Instead, it turns out that Stonewall did. The good news is that between Fredericksburg and Gettysburg, Chamberlain must have joined Weight Watchers.

    • John Foskett July 29, 2012 / 7:06 am

      If that were the criterion, the whole thing would have been killed.

  10. Al Mackey July 28, 2012 / 8:20 pm

    Apparently they needed to trim some time, and they thought they could tell the story without this part.

  11. Rob Baker July 30, 2012 / 11:43 am

    If I had to take a real guess, besides the humorous ones, I’d say that it was because it did not concentrate on the two central characters (Jackson and Chamberlain). Aside from small quips, they’re roles are not prominent.

  12. Forester July 30, 2012 / 3:29 pm

    I still want to see “The Last Full Measure” be made by someone. I enjoyed the novel (actually, all 3 novels) and y’all would probably like it because it would be the most pro-Union of the batch.

    Surely there is someone other than Maxwell who can make it? People would probably go see a Gettysburg sequel. Gettysburg sells pretty well on DVD at Kmart (as does the Gettysburg/G&G 2-pack and Glory). Those and Clint Eastwood movies seem to sell well with the old men who come to my pharmacy. There is still an audience.

    Confession: I enjoyed G&G. I even have the companion book of Mort Kunstler paintings because, well dang it all, I think he’s a good painter. I realize it’s an innacurate mess, but it was fun to watch. Any Civil War movie is gonna be at the least enjoyable just for its setting.

  13. Barb Gannon July 30, 2012 / 4:26 pm

    The narrative arc of the movie is that Southerners fought to defend their home, this ruins the narrative.

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