Secession Isn’t Succeeding

Kevin Levin’s highlighted a call for a new Confederate heritage organization … but there’s more to the story than he highlights.

First, I think Mark Vogl deserves several rounds of applause.  Unlike several other so-called heritage organizations, Vogl’s calling his group a Confederate heritage organization, not a southern heritage organization.  At least he’s honest.  Moreover, he’s smart enough to call for wiping out the issue of slavery altogether, and looking for merit in Confederate principles as they apply to present political challenges.  This does a good job of reminding us that it’s heritage, not history, and his candor in this regard should be seen as a good thing.  That said, he’s not completely sound in this matter, given his constant reference to “the Cause,” which just might have had something to so with slavery.


It is in his withering indictment of current heritage organizations that Vogl strikes telling blows.  Of course, he’s not the first person to point out their ineffectiveness.  However, what he says is worth highlighting … kinda.

This Sesquicentennial has proven that even the organizations charged with the vindication of the great tragedy of the destruction of the first Constitution simply are not up to the task. They are not built for the political work which must be done. And they do not embrace the spirit of defiance so necessary to the pursuit of vindicating the Cause.

Okay, I admit that it’s difficult to discern exactly what Vogl means in the first sentence. However, I find much to commend in his assessment of the failure of will and purpose in these organizations.  Facebook threads are not an effective substitute for action, no matter how good they make some people feel.

Those with blood to the past just are not up to the task of meeting the charge given them by great, great grandpappy’s.

I think that’s true.  We see that all the time in cases where certain folks who highlight their Confederate ancestors bloviate endlessly without accomplishing anything other than wasting bandwidth.

There needs to be a new organization. This new organization should not be based on blood, and ancestry. And, it need not be all male, or female. It does however need to be Christian, and it needs to be committed to vindicate the Cause, where the Cause is defined by the Confederate Constitution, minus those aspects which defend slavery. 

Of course.  Shrewd move … except for the part requiring that it must be Christian.  Open your doors as wide as you can.

This new organization, Patriots of the Confederacy, Inc. should not be a not – for – profit and should not be intimidated or controlled by the government.

Oh oh.  Aside from the crass appeal to H. K. Edgerton’s “not for profit” exercises (which, as we’ve seen, are in fact for profit), looking to incorporate an organization necessarily involves “the government,” as does the quest for non-profit status.  Already we have the entering wedge for intimidation and control … and Vogl provided it himself.  When will they learn?

Membership should be based on the spirit of the prospective member. The prospective member should be Christian or Jewish and practicing their faith. The prospective member should be required to take a written examination to demonstrate knowledge of what they will be committing too. This knowledge should be focused on the C.S. Constitution, the writings of Jefferson Davis and the lives of R. E. Lee, Stonewall and others. And it should include questions about the Charge. Further, the prospective member should demonstrate an understanding that this is not about history, it’s about America today, and how we can improve the condition of a nation by reintroducing the ideas which were at the heart of this nation when it was conceived.

Oh boy … and Vogl was doing so well, too.  Spirit?  Like this?

First he wants an organization based on Christian principles, but now he’s willing to allow Jewish people in as well.  Having wanted to set aside the past, he then forces prospective members to take a history quiz. Given what we’ve seen about how much history many Confederate heritage people know, that won’t go well, at least not without a crib sheet. Perhaps he’ll grade on a curve. Questions about “the Charge”?  Maybe it’s Stephen D. Lee’s charge to preserve Confederate heritage. Maybe it’s the one at Gettysburg on July 3, 1863. Maybe it’s the one at Franklin on November 30, 1864 … which is what it might well look like by the time Vogl’s done.

The lineage of the person should be of no consequence. It should not matter how heroic the ancestor was, the time for heroism is now and so membership must be about the character and dedication of the prospective member.

Good luck with that one.

The prospective member should commit in advance to what they will do to promote the Cause. Will they raise money? Will they act politically, building coalitions to restore Southern Pride and nationalism? Will they vote based on the South, not on their own selfish motives? Will they attend monthly meetings? Will they skip uniforms, balls, parades and work on the issues today which can change America for the better and rebuild the South?

Good luck again … this clearly excludes a few folks who like to dress up in Confederate gray.  And someone explain to me exactly what voting “based on the South” means.

And this new organization should commit that it will abide by the Bill of Rights within its own organization. The organization should require public votes on all actions, no anonymity for the elected officers. Everyone accountable. Each and every citizen of this organization should be encouraged to use the internet to attend and participate in all meetings. There should be recognition of the political equality of all members based on the Christian belief that God is within all of us. The spirit and effectiveness of the Patriots should be measured by the cumulative quality of the membership, and the cumulative willingness to do what is needed in terms of political action to resuscitate the spirit of the Confederacy!

Uh huh.  Whatever you say.

Visit the Confederate War College at and if you are interested make contact so that should sufficient interest be demonstrated this new organization can be created.

What are you waiting for?

Vogl needs to provide a little more incentive for prospective members.  Perhaps he can distribute wrist watched based on another one of his new proposals … the secession clock.

Does anybody know what time it really is?  Does anybody really care?

While the Chancellor of the Confederate War College will make the ultimate decision as to the time to be set on the clock, accepted members of the Confederate War College and other invited persons (all designated as the Time Keepers) will be consulted and allowed to place in consideration written statements intended to influence the setting of the time.

Thanks for clearing that up.  Maybe Vogl’s proposal needs a little more work after all.

15 thoughts on “Secession Isn’t Succeeding

    • Brooks D. Simpson August 21, 2012 / 2:14 pm

      Does he have a proposed running mate for the former Confederate president?

      • Andy Hall August 21, 2012 / 2:22 pm

        He’s written at least eight columns about Sarah Palin so, yeah, I think he has someone in mind. He’s also argued that the leader of the Virginia Flaggers, Susan Hathaway, is the South’s “own version of Sarah Palin,” which I happen to agree with, though possibly not for the same reasons.

  1. Hunter Wallace August 21, 2012 / 2:38 pm

    Don’t the Rainbow Confederates already have an organization – the entity behind the SHPG and Dixie Outfitters? Why did they need a new one? Why don’t people join the existing Rainbow Confederate groups which spout the same nonsense?

    • Brooks D. Simpson August 21, 2012 / 2:48 pm

      That’s easy … because Mark Vogl wants to be in charge. Where Vogl’s grasped an opportunity is in his sense that if one drops any pretense about heritage and simply holds firm to Confederate principles that transcend the defense of slavery, his movement might get somewhere. Thus he’s willing to dispense with the claptrap about ancestors and wearing uniforms … he’d probably see the Flaggers as wasting their time. He’s forward-looking, but he’s finding it hard to abandon some aspects of the heritage tradition.

      Give him time. What’s remarkable is that the SHPG doesn’t seem to understand that Vogl’s slamming them as ineffective. Even a former member of that group understood as much before she went off to form her fringe of the fringe following.

      One of the things that doomed the Confederacy was internal dissension and disunity. Apparently some people have not learned that lesson.

      • Jared August 22, 2012 / 12:35 am

        Rainbows have been feverishly apologizing for slavery over a period of many years now, There’s nothing “forward looking” at all about any of Vogl’s ramblings here. I think you’re exactly right that he just wants to be in charge.

        Calling for and end to the failed crusade to force racial equality, now that is forward looking.

        • Christopher Shelley July 7, 2014 / 9:51 pm

          Hardly a “failed crusade.” It’s the one idea that makes this country as great as it is.

  2. Will Hickox August 21, 2012 / 2:46 pm

    “…and it needs to be committed to vindicate the Cause, where the Cause is defined by the Confederate Constitution, minus those aspects which defend slavery.”

    Um, so what does that leave them with? One six-year term for the president?

    It’s like saying, “we seek to emulate Hitler, without his racism and megalomania.” What is left, his vegetarianism?

    • Roger E Watson August 21, 2012 / 2:53 pm

      Well, you might need your house painted…….

    • Jack August 22, 2012 / 1:19 am

      Oh please. The United States has gotten plenty of mileage out of the Declaration about ‘all men being equal’ when the actual reasons enumerated in the document that impelled secession from the British Empire have all long faded from memory. By your logic, do we claim that being a ‘good American’ means hating tea taxes or that the whole seven year conflict was about the stamp act? There is plenty to learn from the Confederate experience in Rhett’s letter to the the slaveholding states that applies today even when we strip out the anachronism of slavery. How about the pernicious nature of democracy? The tyranny of the majority when the structure of the republic has been overthrown? That last point should absolutely scare conservatives into understanding where Rhett and his confederates were coming from as the demographic changes coming to the US may very well mean that no conservative is ever elected again in the United States because of a few populated counties on the coast. Lastly, how about the egalitarian nonsense about ‘all men being equal’. Hunter Wallace at has had many articles about this very topic. Americans aren’t ready for this conversation but as the economy continues to fall apart, hope evaporates and mere survival replaces dreams of success, the equality problem is not going to leave us be. Confederates like Rhett understood this and there are lessons to take from it to the present day.

  3. Jim Dick August 22, 2012 / 11:36 am

    I find it ironic that Vogl calls for the exclusion of those that disagree with him or his ideas. Yet, he obviously indicates that his version of government would be constructed on the American ideas. Does he not understand that the American rebels were dissenters to the British Parliament? Or that the Confederacy was composed of dissenters? It is clear he fails to understand that he would just be creating a totalitarian state. Would it be communist or fascist? I would assume fascist, but either way it’s about rule by a group of elites for their own benefit.

    • Andy Hall August 22, 2012 / 7:57 pm

      “I find it ironic that Vogl calls for the exclusion of those that disagree with him or his ideas.”

      That’s not a bug, it’s a feature. Michael Cushman (a.k.a. “PalmettoPatriot”) the imperial potentate (or whatever) of the Southern Nationalist Network, not long ago said in reference to yours truly, “there will be no room for traitors in a free South.” So yeah, that’s the sort of “freedom” they envision in the “free South.” There’s a deep-seated insecurity there that cannot abide the mere presence of vocal dissent, which is itself considered a traitorous act.

  4. TF Smith August 22, 2012 / 10:33 pm

    I know it is the obvious snark, but the “too small to be a republic, too large for an asylum” line comes to mind…

    If Mr. Vogl’s bio on his website is accurate, I imagine his presence with the Fordham ROTC faculty was, um, “interesting”…

    How these types of individuals can come out the BGM in (presumably) the last four decades and come up with this stuff is somewhat mind-boggling, as well.


  5. Forester September 4, 2012 / 6:42 am

    He almost had me, but any organization requiring “Christians” probably excludes gays and I cannot abide that (even though many gays identify as ‘Christian’, they’re generally discarded by the mainstream interpretations of the faith).

    There was this dude named Jesus who once said folks should love their neighbors … well some of my neighbors are gay. Just sayin.’

  6. Katie Rasmussen July 2, 2013 / 5:56 pm

    Mr. Vogl has relocated himself to my neck of the woods, East Texas. According to the Upshur CAD, he owns “Rebel Mountain Enterprises” (market value $1,000). His rambling letters to the local newpaper (The Gilmer Mirror) had me flummoxed, so I find myself here, seeking insight.

    In one of his lengthy screeds, he mentions King Cotton as one of our current sources of major income. Since cotton hasn’t been grown around here in ions, and since I just read (above) that he wanted to organize a write-in campaign for Jefferson Davis, I feel there’s a good chance that Mr. Vogl is a time traveler, and not just a throw-back.

    Contrary to what he seems to believe about East Texans–primitive yokels; protective dome over our heads; as dumb and as volatile as a box of Pop-Rocks–I plan to let him know, soon, that not all of us will be enrolling in his Confederate Clown College. .

    Any insight or redirects greatly appreciated. I’d especially love to know how anyone can spend 20 years in the military–one of the biggest socialist organizations in the country–and come out hating taxes, a democracy, and people of color as much as Mr. Vogl does. Best regards, katie

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