If At First You Don’t Secede …

… or at least prove successful at it … try, try again.

So says this report from The Huffington Post. Other papers have also reported secession petitions going to the White House.

The White House requires a minimum of 150 signatures for a petition to be visible on the web site, and at least 25,000 signatures within a month of its filing date before it will be reviewed by the administration. Petitions that don’t meet that threshold are removed from the site.

Well, well, well … now here’s something the “action group” from the Southern Heritage Preservation Group should be able to get behind, since its membership is far above the 150 signature threshold needed to appear on the website.  I’d expect to see the Southern Nationalist Network do the same.  League of the South, wake up! Thomas DiLorenzo, here’s your chance!

Oh, by the way … you might think a bit before asking Pat Hines to join you. Given his position on what it might take to secure southern independence, you folks might find yourself in a bit of hot water.


26 thoughts on “If At First You Don’t Secede …

  1. Louis Burklow November 12, 2012 / 10:09 am

    Is it really possible such a thing could be contemplated again? This is just some bitter-enders upset over not being able to “take their country back” last week making some noise, right? Right?!

  2. Hunter Wallace November 12, 2012 / 10:32 am

    We’re absolutely delighted that Obama and his Yankee supporters in the Northeast and the West Coast and their allies in the Mainstream Media have finally capsized the GOP, undermined the taboos, and vindicated everything we have been saying about them.

  3. Hunter Wallace November 12, 2012 / 10:38 am

    Hopefully, the anti-White racial triumphalism in the media will continue for the rest of the month, and kill off the rest of the Rainbow conservatives in the South for good!

    The only thing more shocking than Obama’s victory to ordinary White Southern conservatives in 2008 will prove to be his reelection in 2012 on the basis of explicit appeals to class warfare and the racial self interest of non-White minorities.

    Fifty years of White guilt just went up in smoke!

  4. Charles Lovejoy November 12, 2012 / 11:43 am

    Nobody’s going to secede, they don’t have enough financial assets. Kind of reminds me when I got mad at my second grade teacher. I had planed to runaway and join the French Foreign Legion. That lasted about a day 🙂

  5. wgdavis November 12, 2012 / 2:32 pm

    Fascinating…so far 20 states have petitions filed on We the People. States such as Colorado, New York, Michigan, New Jersey and Florida, all of which went for Obama on Election day.

  6. Jimmy Dick November 12, 2012 / 2:34 pm

    I think it says something that after decades of voting against becoming a state Puerto Rico finally voted in favor of the idea on Election Day while disillusioned people in the US want to leave the country.
    Maybe we should seriously entertain the idea of these nutjobs when it comes to secession, but remind them that all the federal property will remain federal property and that the only way it goes with the seceding state is if it is paid for in full value. Then start tearing up the interstates and any other federally funded developments. All military forces and equipment would be pulled out and the bases turned into cow pastures. Rip out every building on them. Remove all the air strips and roads on them and every single item and object including the pipes in the ground. Since the TVA is a federal project we could start tearing that down as well as dismantle all the federally funded power systems. Take down all navigational beacons for air and sea traffic. Since some states border Mexico, remove the stupid fence too.
    Then we could just close the borders. I’m willing to bet that the people who want to secede would agree to it, but I’m also willing to bet they don’t know how the Confederacy nationalized so much of what little economy it had and used the very measures they oppose to try to stay alive which is exactly what would happen again. The South today receives more federal funds than the federal government gets from it in the form of taxation. If Arizona, Texas, and New Mexico seceded, would Mexico be willing to invade them to reclaim their lost territory? I mean after all those states were taken from Mexico through rebellion in the case of Texas and conquest in the case of the others. So Mexico could claim a right to reclaim its former territory. Of course the US may not want to get involved with people who left the US so whatever happened would just be the secessionist’s problem wouldn’t it?

    • Mark November 13, 2012 / 10:35 pm

      >> the Confederacy nationalized so much of what little economy it had and used the very measures they oppose to try to stay alive which is exactly what would happen again.

      The Confederate government was trying to take care of the soldier’s families to keep them from deserting. Moving money from one location to another is never a good long term strategy.

      • Jimmy Dick November 14, 2012 / 7:19 am

        The Confederate government was trying to protect its interests which was that of the elite class of slaveowners. It didn’t give a rat’s ass about the families of the soldiers beyond lip service. Davis kept trying to move all CSA troops in the West to the East which would have abandoned the people in the three western CSA states to the Union.

  7. Hunter Wallace November 12, 2012 / 5:28 pm


    If Texas and Louisiana secede from the Union, I suppose Obama could pass Cap-and-Trade and run the Northeast on “green energy.” Arizona and Utah would follow suit and shut off the electricity in California.

    • Buck Buchanan November 16, 2012 / 8:25 am

      Nope…..we would just up our trade with Canada for oil and keep all the natural gas in PA, WV, Ohio, ND to ourselves

  8. Bob Huddleston November 12, 2012 / 7:28 pm

    Petitions from a dozen states and probably totaling twenty people.

    As Jimmy points out, when they go we will insist on payment up front — in gold, which is what these clowns always talk about needing — and Fort Hood closes, removing that payroll and customs collection and coast guard duties in Houston and Brownsville starts coming out of the pockets of Texans, as well as maintenance of the Rio Grande against those pesky Mexicans crossing the Texans might have second thoughts. Logically the US would also stop sending pension checks to citizens of the Republic of Texas.

    And Hunter, guess where the Colorado River starts? Arizona might find itself depending on the Salt River.

    • Charles Lovejoy November 12, 2012 / 10:45 pm

      True Bob,probably totaling around twenty people. The US population is around 300 million, when the petitions signatures get up around 150 million or so I’ll start to worry 🙂

  9. Patrick Young November 13, 2012 / 4:35 am

    If these folks have no loyalty to the United States, should they be able to vote?

  10. Hunter Wallace November 13, 2012 / 5:25 am

    At 5:30 yesterday evening, the Texas petition had about 30,000 signatures. When I checked it at 5:30 this morning, it had grown to over 60,000 signatures. Louisiana is now over 25,000 signatures.

    Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, North Carolina and Florida are each at about 17,000 signatures each. They should all top 25,000 signatures sometime this afternoon.

    Obama is already making great strides toward his legacy here in Alabama. I can’t wait to see what Mark Potok has to say about this.

    • Bob Huddleston November 13, 2012 / 10:10 am

      Texas had almost 8 million people cast votes. I could not find the exact breakdown but Obama probably received about 3 million of those. I would hate to try to mount a secession vote with that many opposed from the start. Now had the 30,000 been willing to invest in a 45 cent stamp then it might have more meaning. But only a little.

  11. Pat Young November 13, 2012 / 7:59 am

    You can’t say you love the United States, and demand to break it up.

    An immigrant applying for naturalization to citizenship must pledge to support and uphold the Constitution as a condition of becoming part of our nation. If an applicant said they wanted to work for secession their application would likely be denied.

    Sad to think that what the naturalized citizen values most, his or her United States citizenship, some native-born citizens are so willing to throw aside.

    Because they don’t like the man the majority of Americans chose as president.

    Sad, really just very sad.

    What a betrayal of our fighting men and women ho sacrifice for us every day.

    • Bill N. November 13, 2012 / 8:57 pm

      Pat, That’s one of the reasons among others, why the German immigrants from St. Louis exerted their military muscle in pro-Union regiments to keep Missouri in the Union.

  12. Bummer November 13, 2012 / 8:33 am

    Bummer relates to the Judge Scalia letter that Kevin Levin posted on Civil War Memory. In the document dated October 31, 2006, the judge says, “To begin with, the answer is clear. If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, is that their is no right to secede.”

    Bummer is not going to lose a lot of sleep worrying about the disgruntled. We are, where we are. Personally, studying this countries history gives me peace, it shows me where we’ve been and that knowledge allows comfort, no matter where we are going.


  13. Bob Huddleston November 13, 2012 / 10:00 am

    Internet petitions are worthless — way too easy to click “agree.” Our son worked for our congressman as a volunteer aide and he told us that the congressman ignored them. You want to make an impression write — hand write — a letter and put a stamp on it. At least you are out 45 cents! *Those* he looked at.
    I see where Rick Perry has come out against the secession petitions. Look at how many Texans voted for Obama — I suspect they would be a large minority opposing an independent Texas!

  14. Bob Huddleston November 13, 2012 / 7:21 pm

    Subject: Secession

    Dear Red States:

    We’re ticked off at your Neanderthal attitudes and politics and we’ve decided we’re leaving.

    We in New York intend to form our own country and we’re taking the other Blue States with us.

    In case you aren’t aware that includes California, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and the rest of the Northeast. And Colorado.

    We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation and especially to the people of the new country of The Enlightened States of America (E.S.A).

    To sum up briefly:

    You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.

    We get stem cell research and the best beaches.

    We get Andrew Cuomo and Elizabeth Warren. You get Bobby Jindal and Todd Akin.

    We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.

    We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.

    We get Harvard. You get Ole’ Miss.

    We get 85 percent of America’s venture capital and entrepreneurs.

    You get Alabama.

    We get two-thirds of the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay their fair share.

    Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition’s, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.

    With the Blue States in hand we will have firm control of 80% of the country’s fresh water, more than 90% of the pineapple and lettuce, 92% of the nation’s fresh fruit, 95% of America’s quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90% of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the US low sulphur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.

    With the Red States you will have to cope with 88% of all obese Americans and their projected health care costs, 92% of all US mosquitoes, nearly 100% of the tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99% of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100% of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

    We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.

    38% of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62% believe life is sacred unless we’re discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44% say that evolution is only a theory, 53% that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61% of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.

    We’re taking the good weed too. You can have that crap they grow in Mexico.


    Citizen of the Enlightened States of America

    • SF Walker November 14, 2012 / 3:24 am

      Gee, do you stereotype much, Bob? Lighten up 🙂 This may come as a surprise to you, but there are more than a few staunch Unionists like myself who are conservative Southerners—fiscally conservative, anyway. And no, I’m not one of those ignorant doorknobs who rejects evolution and collects tacky Elvis memorabilia.

      I don’t know where you’ve been for the last twenty years, but manufacturing industries (including high-tech) have been expanding in the red, not the blue states because we don’t have extortionist tax policies and parasitic unions poised to run them out of business. Likewise, residents of the blue states have been steadily fleeing to red ones for the same reason—California, New York, and Massachusetts are grievously expensive. Their social views may be enlightened, but their tax system sure as hell isn’t.

      If you take your “enlightened” blue states, you granola-munchers are going to be importing virtually all of your oil. Take another look at the 2012 election map–Alaska, Texas, Louisiana, the Dakotas, and Montana are red. That means we not only have virtually all the domestic oil/natural gas, but we have sole pipeline access to Alberta, the chief Canadian producer—while you guys get the nation’s strategic rhubarb reserves and the Prairie Home Companion 🙂

    • Jimmy Dick November 14, 2012 / 7:29 am

      Make sure the states that leave take Glenn Beck and any idiot who listens to his swill with them. Missouri will not be leaving, at least not the upper half of it.

  15. Mark November 16, 2012 / 1:39 pm

    I’ll tell you what’s sad. All these supposedly historically minded folks with their smug pose of knowing sadness didn’t even bother to note that the Obama administration released this We The People petitioning platform last year (2011). This platform enables users to petition the Obama administration online through a website, ensuring that crazy ideas will get aired that have no real support. It is the stupidest idea I’ve ever heard. If there is a nutjob in this mix, it is Obama who is enabling and encouraging this crap so he can make himself look large by making us all look foolish.

    And it’s working great, since the historian wannabes here are gloating over the foolishness of it all and the fact that they can act wise. At some point you gotta decide whether you’re a political hack prostituting what little real knowledge you’ve gained for political attacks on others or a serious student of history. Easy to see the decision folks here have made.

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