What Is It With Some People?

Several months ago Crossroads reported on violent threats against schoolchildren made by southern nationalist Pat Hines, who in the past has won the approval of people such as Mike Lamb. I note that not a single southern nationalist has taken exception here to his comments. Now comes word that Josephine Bass, a.k.a “Josephine Southern,” has offered the following comment on Corey Meyer’s blog:

Bless Your Heart, I do think you are lucky that no one has shot you in the face or gone to your kids school and shot up the place.

What is wrong with these people? Is this the way advocates of Confederate heritage and southern separatism intend to go about their business?

There’s been a lot a talk about the face of evil lately. There’s also been a lot of talk about mental health and social responsibility. There’s also been a lot of talk about how schools should be safe from violence.

Yet this is what we hear from certain folks in the name of Confederate heritage and southern separatism.

Sometimes, people, confrontation is not only the right thing to do, it’s something that we all must do.


P.S.: Ms. Bass says that in making these statements she’s acting as a defender of southern honor. Really?


49 thoughts on “What Is It With Some People?

  1. Louis Burklow December 19, 2012 / 11:00 am

    They couldn’t “take their country back” – now all they know to do is lash out. The result is they sound like schoolyard bullies with superior firepower. These folks are now starting to realize how demographics is changing the country and it will never go back to the way they want it.

  2. Michael Confoy December 19, 2012 / 11:09 am

    Maybe it’s time for a colonization scheme for southern nationalists?

  3. Missouri Tenth December 19, 2012 / 12:17 pm

    Mr. Simpson, I’d respectfully put forth that a number of Southern folks are waiting for you to engage them (per your comment on confrontation being the right thing to do). I’ve posted a number of “open” invitations awaiting your response (on differing worldviews, historical interpretations, etc) over at Missouri Tenth. If you would prefer not to dialogue about this openly, please send me an e-mail. I agree there are some hot heads out there, but my aim is to bring together folks on both side of the debates and try to work some of these issues out.

    • Brooks D. Simpson December 19, 2012 / 12:23 pm

      These folks know where to find me. You do. I tend not to frequent your blog except for a few recent posts from you, and, having seen how you allowed Mike Lamb post rather self-serving and incomplete accounts of supposed conversations, I see no reason to trust your venue as a place where responsible discussion takes place. Nor do I see Mr. Lamb as a responsible individual, let alone a southern historian. I’ve given you the attention you deserve …. some would say more than you deserve, and I’m not sure I’d disagree with them.

      Let’s see you engage those southern nationalists who advocate violence, especially against children. Seems you’re afraid to confront them. Why is that?

        • Brooks D. Simpson December 19, 2012 / 4:38 pm

          More like amused … if we’re talking about the blog bluster. But perhaps you mean the threats against children? I take those seriously. Why don’t you?

          It seems that Connie Chastain also has a problem denouncing Ms. Bass. Guess she’s skeered. As alarming as these threats against children are, the author of Sweet Southern Boys doesn’t really worry about threats made against American children. That’s sad. But then she’s defended, justified, and excused bad behavior and bigotry in the past.

          So much for your cry for attention, Connie.

          • Connie Chastain December 19, 2012 / 5:29 pm

            I was talking about your being skeered to visit the Missouri Tenth. You know I’m not talking about threats against children because that isn’t mentioned in either Missouri Tenth’s post or your reply. So why’d you bring it up? Cuz you needed an excuse for gratuitous smear?

            There was no threat to children in Ms. Bass’s comments It was in poor taste, but not a threat. BTW — and you know this — I am on record at my blog and on Facebook (several places) as vehemently opposing not only Pat Hines’ threats against children, but his apparent worship of violence in general. So you’re lying about me and you know it. Hard habit for you to break, iddinit?

          • Brooks D. Simpson December 19, 2012 / 10:00 pm

            Yawn. Elsewhere you dismiss Hines … today, on your own blog. You just don’t threats of violence against children seriously and you don’t deplore those fellow travelers of yours who make those threats.

            And, of course, you just can’t stop lying as part of your bitter rage.

            Hope y’all got your Connie Chastain fix … how ’bout you, Matt Gallman? 🙂 Back in the jar …

          • Rob Baker December 19, 2012 / 8:29 pm

            Connie is too busy attempting to draw parallels between Pat Hines’s/Josephine Bass’s and Micheala Levin’s.comments on various blogs. It seems, according to her, that talking about murdering someone and being thankful for evolution are the same thing.

          • Rob Baker December 20, 2012 / 4:54 pm

            is not are. I’ve got to make mental note to proofread cell phone typing.

      • Missouri Tenth December 19, 2012 / 8:15 pm

        Mr. Simpson – thanks for the reply. Yes, I do know where to find your thoughts – and I have to say I enjoy your writings (even if I happen to disagree). Yes, I’ve allowed Mr. Lamb to post his thoughts, as I enjoy hearing from a variety of people on a particular subject. It’s my blog, I have that right. And if you should choose to come over and comment – I would always deal fairly in posting your thoughts as long as there is no bad language or insults.

        I would throw your last comment back to you (as I personally see one individual speaking out of turn and being paraded about as the voice of Southern Nationalism to be a bit silly). But saying that, the Federal Government has certainly perpetuated a lot of violence towards children, and you seem to be afraid to confront them. Why is that?

        • Brooks D. Simpson December 19, 2012 / 10:06 pm

          See … no one paraded someone as the voice of southern nationalism … although it appears you don’t seem bothered by those threats of violence against children. You demonstrate why your forum is untrustworthy, because you can’t be honest. Fair enough.

          Still no expression of disgust or outrage … or even dismay … at the comments made by Hines and Bass? I wonder why.

          Good try to turn this on the feds Perhaps gun control and a ban on assault weapons would be a first step toward a more compassionate federal government. Carry on with that idea, and good luck. In the meantime, as you say, this is my blog, and you can carry on your crusade at yours. Take care.

    • Jimmy Dick December 19, 2012 / 12:47 pm

      I think Dr. Simpson as well as many others have given you the facts and information you requested. You just don’t like the answers and therefore dispute the facts that you disagree with. You read what you want in the past and ignore the context because the context makes your opinions erroneous.

  4. Bummer December 19, 2012 / 1:14 pm

    Bummer is old school and for this guy, every day above ground is a blessing. However, the world this student comes from, you would have to be mentally unhinged to “threaten” a man or his family. The threat alone, opens the door to a reality of “what ifs” and that question alone, can generate defensive tactics. As an “old guy” whose greatest possession is his family and their well-being, the statement of “shooting someone in the face” could be taken personally and should not be just disregarded as the ramblings of some demented and tortured lost soul.


  5. Ken Noe December 19, 2012 / 3:04 pm

    You left out the end of her threat: ” Ah well there is always next year.” School reopens in January.

    • Brooks D. Simpson December 19, 2012 / 4:44 pm

      Yup. It’s one thing to make comments on blogs and FB pages about people they don’t like, but these folks now target innocent children, make light of such targeting, or give it a pass. Such is the mindset of certain folks.

  6. Michael C. Lucas December 19, 2012 / 4:43 pm

    Another fine example of promoting your anti-Confederate prejudice again Brook’s. This is not confrontation this is bigotry, you know very well Pat Hines does not speak for the South, Southern people, Confederate heritage groups. I abhor what he said, but you are just as negligent in using his words to condemn Confederate descendants as a whole.

    • Brooks D. Simpson December 19, 2012 / 4:52 pm

      But I haven’t condemned Confederate descendants as a whole. Nor did I say Pat Hines spoke for the South, southern people, or Confederate heritage groups as a whole. So why do you lie about these things? What else do you lie about?

      Meanwhile, here was your chance to denounce Ms. Bass, and you appear to have failed in that regard. Why are you so quiet about these matters? Tell us. Are you telling us you don’t abhor what she said?

      • Michael C. Lucas December 19, 2012 / 7:47 pm

        Brooks, if you and others like you were more humble and stuck to academic disciplines rather than using your blogs as contemptuous sounding boards of anti-Confederate propaganda against Confederate descendants, you could all make a positive difference! Consider helping to preserve Confederate American history fairly, because, in truth, not everything they fought for was as you and others have propagandized and that includes Confederate Preservationists with issues of delusions, as well. But, the difference is Confederate groups are not on the offensive to attack anyone, but on the defensive to preserve the truth of what they know is being distorted by others. You’re not seeking understanding, or truth. Your blog is manifesting hate and that begets hate. The country needs to take a step back from these over-zealous attacks on Southerners, Confederate history, flags, monuments and their descendants. It was not all one side’s thing or another thing! It was not at all about good against evil, except in the delusions of sanctimonious zealots! It was not all about slavery and African Americans, but they had something to do with it. Confederate history, black, white, and other descendants deserve the same equality of inclusiveness as any other ethnicity in this nation’s diversity. Until that happens, for all considered, it’s foundations are crumbling with malice and hypocrisy and will come to naught!

        • Jeffry Burden December 19, 2012 / 10:00 pm

          Gee, Michael — I’m sorry to disturb your vision of rainbows and unicorns, but have you perused the LOS, SCV or other modern-day-wannabe-Confederate websites? Not much love and tolerance there. In fact, I see a lot of bile and anger and lightly-coded racial and ethnic bias. They make Brooks and other writers of “contemptuous sounding boards of anti-Confederate propoganda” seem tame in comparison. You may want to drop those sites a note about that whole tolerance/love/inclusiveness thing you propose.

        • Brooks D. Simpson December 19, 2012 / 10:09 pm

          Thanks for reminding us of your position, Mr. Lucas. I guess that you think Ms. Bass and Mr. Hines aren’t manifesting hate, and certainly you don’t seem to mind what Ms. Bass said, so I guess it’s okay by you. Fair enough.

          • Michael C. Lucas December 20, 2012 / 10:46 am

            Actually, it is well documented that Ms. Bass and I also oppose Mr. Hines, as well as other individuals and groups overall, for their contributions in manifesting hate and ignorance. So you’re not alone in that respect, so your argument against us is mute. Evidence supports that we abhor acts of violence and killing, except in justifiable sustenance or self-defense and certainly never condone violence offensively against innocents and children. It is evident you’ve made another misinterpretation of Ms. Bass’s retaliatory remarks in reflection of Mr. Meyer’s bigotry. It is quite evident that Ms. Bass, you and I certainly agree, in accordance with your own words, that “sometimes, confrontation is not only the right thing to do, it’s something that we all must do.” This is why you are reaping condemnation for the bigotry that you and others have sown, along with Mr. Meyers, Mr. Baker, and Mr. Levin, because of your biased misinterpretations distorting history to suit supporting your personal attacks and anti-Confederate agendas. These are the repetitious formulas for ignorance begetting hate and hate begetting ignorance that resolves nothing and distorts truth and history to suit political agendas. It needs to end on all accounts, but that maybe too much to hope for. I earnestly hope you will consider what I’m saying as constructive criticism to advance you without malice, but with humility.

          • Brooks D. Simpson December 20, 2012 / 12:59 pm

            I’m sure you see things this way. Thanks for admitting you approve Bass’s language. That tells people where you really stand on this issue.

          • Andy Hall December 21, 2012 / 11:15 am

            “It is well documented that Ms. Bass and I also oppose Mr. Hines. . . .”

            I missed that Josephine Bass had ever said anything about Pat Hines. Source?

  7. Michael Bartley December 19, 2012 / 6:07 pm

    Ms. Bass should be ashamed of herself. Here is the second part of her despicable response, “I wonder when the haters and dividers get their due in this country. Ah well there is always next year.” Apparently, it escapes her that threatening us and most importantly our children is not hateful or divisive. I just wanted to add my voice from the Rocky Mountains to Prof. Simpson’s in condemnation of this irresponsible and stunningly immature potentially dangerous rhetoric. See, Michael and Connie, it’s not that hard. Please join us in a simple straightforward rejection of this madness.

    • Michael C. Lucas December 20, 2012 / 1:29 pm

      That’s not what she was saying, another fine misinterpretation by Brooks posse member.

      • Michael Bartley December 21, 2012 / 4:49 pm

        Michael, I am not a member of a posse here or anywhere else. Just a citizen with all the rights and responsibilites implied. I come here because I respect Prof. Simpson and his work. I do not always agree with him but I trust him both as a scholar and a man. If I misinterpreted Ms. Bass and it is possible I am not always right, I apologize. However, the words did seem clear and disturbing and if my reading of what she said is correct then my condemnation stands. If that, in this case, allies me with the good Professor then I am glad to be standing with him. Now, whether or not he wants me is a whole other story ; ).

        • Michael C. Lucas December 23, 2012 / 9:26 am

          Mr. Bartley ~ Ms. Bass, Mrs. Chastine, others and myself have been wrongly accused by Mr. Simpson in supporting Mr. Hines. What Ms. Bass said was taken completely out of context. Corey, Andy and Brooks know that. The weight of being egregious is on their hands, as it has been all the while with other anti-Confederate bloggers who are intent on distorting Southern views and history to suit their anti-Confederate agendas. You can choose to believe in delusions of grandeur all that you wish. That does not make you more righteous. It is certain that Brooks is honest with some of the facts he presents, but he is blinded in his biased misinterpretation of the mass, which wrecks everything else that he does in regards the subject. It is also certain that popular Confederate preservation activist are no less guilty in their assumptions and misinterpretation of Confederate history, as well as that of the Union side of the war. This may be because of the sectional language barrier between popular culture and academics. It certainly contributes to why academics generally misinterpret Confederate reasoning, even among southern academics. Academics are no less prone to human fallacies than anyone else and Brooks is no more an exception to his fallacies, than you or I to ours. In the discourse of this blog post, Brooks took advantage of Ms. Bass’s comments to generalize that her words were representative of all Confederate Heritage groups and Southern Nationalists. Ms. Bass felt she was compelled to defend Southern Honor from the insults of Corey Meyers. Brooks offensively stated that her comments as well as Mr. Hines were representative of “certain folks in the name of Confederate heritage and southern separatism” thus applying it specifically to all Confederate groups. The objective was to be inflammatory, he then added insult to injury with his snarky comment “P.S.: Ms. Bass says that in making these statements she’s acting as a defender of southern honor. Really?” that is not the mark of an objective analysis, but a common retort of a bigot.

          • Brooks D. Simpson December 23, 2012 / 9:58 am

            Apparently quoting someone makes one a bigot. Is that also a sign of southern honor according to Mr. Lucas? At least he’s open in his defense of Ms. Bass, and everyone can draw their own conclusions.

            Only Mr. Lucas could warp talking about “certain folks” into “everyone,” in the style of Ms. Chastain.

            Chastain and Lucas are prominent examples of the gang that couldn’t write straight. Do they claim to speak for Confederate heritage? Very well.

          • Andy Hall December 23, 2012 / 11:20 am

            You haven’t answered my question, Michael. When has Josephine Bass ever said anything about Pat Hines. Provide a link, please. You said that “it is well documented” that she opposes the things Hines said; I believe that is a false statement, so show me.

            As for taking Ms. Bass’ comment “completely out of context,” I posted the entire thing, unedited, and linked back to the original. I have no idea how much more “in context” one can be. I’ve given her ample opportunity to explain, in detail, exactly what she meant, and she has declined to do so.

  8. Jeffry Burden December 19, 2012 / 6:10 pm

    Brooks, do you notice that there is still no Southron with the courage to denounce, or even express mild disapproval of, poor Josephine’s words? Bless their hearts, why is that? (Sorry if I’m being confrontational. 🙂 )

    • Brooks D. Simpson December 19, 2012 / 10:12 pm

      Oh, I see one blog owner, as well as our dear friends Chastain and Lucas, coming over here to comment, but not a single word against Bass. The are free to carry on their continuing support elsewhere.

  9. Michael C. Lucas December 19, 2012 / 6:43 pm

    Your lie not I! As for Ms. Chastain you completely take her responses out of context!

  10. Hunter Wallace December 20, 2012 / 7:58 am

    In the previous thread, I said that I don’t know of any Southern Nationalists who are child murderers. OTOH, Obama has killed more children with the predator drone in Pakistan alone than Adam Lanza killed in Newton, Connecticut.

    • Hunter Wallace December 20, 2012 / 8:03 am

      How many children did the U.S. federal government kill at Waco?

      • Brooks D. Simpson December 20, 2012 / 8:30 am

        Hunter, do you approve or repudiate what Hines and Bass said? You have had plenty of time to share your opinion.

        • John Foskett December 22, 2012 / 10:06 am

          Crickets. As usual…..

      • tonygunter December 20, 2012 / 4:15 pm

        Zero. Conclusive evidence has been published showing that the Branch Davidians set fire to the compound themselves. What do I win?

    • Brooks D. Simpson December 20, 2012 / 8:32 am

      I guess you won’t repudiate what Bass and Hines said. Maybe you have more in common with Lucas and Chastain than all of you would care to admit.

      • Hunter Wallace December 20, 2012 / 10:19 am

        I don’t agree with anyone who supports murdering children for any reason.

        I’ve said as much in previous threads both here and multiple times at my own website. I have also said that I don’t know of a single Southern Nationalist who is actually a child murderer.

        Barack Obama really is a child murderer. He has murdered far more children in Pakistan and other Islamic countries with predator drones than Adam Lanza did in Connecticut.

        Did you vote for an actual child murderer? I have never voted for anyone who wantonly murders children in foreign countries.

        • Hunter Wallace December 20, 2012 / 10:24 am

          Southern Nationalists are not supporters of an illegitimate federal government that murdered children at Waco and casually murders children abroad with chemical and nuclear weapons and predator drones.

          • Brooks D. Simpson December 20, 2012 / 10:36 am

            You’ve made your point, Hunter. Those who wish to read more of what you want to say about this should visit your blog.

        • Brooks D. Simpson December 20, 2012 / 10:44 am

          “I don’t agree with anyone who supports murdering children for any reason.”

          It took you long enough to say this … although you don’t want to mention Bass and Hines by name. Still, it’s a step ahead of the excuses and tap-dancing of Chastain.

          However, you have seen that Pat Hines, southern nationalist, threatens such murders, and Josephine Bass thinks it’s a viable threat to use against people when she finds herself uncomforted by use of evidence to disturb her fantasies about black Confederates. What message do you think it conveys to everyone who comes here when you have to be pressed on this issue to say something, and when many of your fellow southern nationalists who frequent this blog and even comment shy away from repudiating such behavior?

          I wouldn’t think it would do your movement much good.

  11. Charles Lovejoy December 20, 2012 / 4:43 pm

    I don’t even own a gun, I’m a peace-nic 🙂

  12. Michael C. Lucas December 23, 2012 / 12:57 pm

    Andy, So in other words you do not know what you’re talking about and have condemned her without knowing anything else in spreading your own bigoted agenda.

    • Brooks D. Simpson December 23, 2012 / 1:34 pm

      Enough, Mr. Lucas. This particular line of commentary has come to an end for the involved parties. I’m satisfied that Mr. Lucas will not answer Andy Hall’s questions, and I’ve tired of his whining and ranting. I’ve patiently indulged the curiosity of my readers.

      • Jeffry Burden December 23, 2012 / 3:46 pm

        Just another slow-motion Southern Heritage train wreck…

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