… And the Law Won

Yesterday several bloggers (see here and here) highlighted the following video:

That a child was present was no accident, as we see from this picture:

flagger arrest


How many Confederate artillery privates wore sunglasses?

I’m sure this incident will be the subject of much discussion over the next several weeks. The fact remains that the Virginia Flaggers have played footsie with the law before, as we can see here:

… and here …

I’d say this confrontation was no accident. The Flaggers have welcomed these sorts of incidents for some time. Guess their wish has come true. Now they have the chance to show us that they have the courage of their convictions, especially if there’s a conviction.

On to Lexington!



15 thoughts on “… And the Law Won

  1. tonygunter January 14, 2013 / 9:48 am

    Wow. Taking a swing at the arresting officer after the officer touched his shoulder, priceless. Have they enumerated the charges against him? Assaulting a police officer is a felony.

    • Andy Hall January 14, 2013 / 12:06 pm

      The person in question is Tripp Lewis, one of the long-time and most prominent of the Flaggers — he actually put up a Facebook post on Friday calling for people to join him in his protest. Google him — he and his kids are all over the Flagging business.

      As I understand the local police cuffed him, issued him a citation for trespassing, and sent him on his way after about half an hour. His court appearance is scheduled for February 4.

      • tonygunter January 14, 2013 / 1:57 pm

        After watching the video, I assume the guy he took a swing at was a security guard. But security guards can be licensed in VA to make arrests. How he comes away without at least an assault charge for swinging at the guy, especially given his statement that he will defend himself if touched, is puzzling.

        According to his youtube post, he is also filing charges of assault on the female security guard who can be heard trying to calm the daughter, for putting her hands on his daughter. Wow.

  2. Bummer January 14, 2013 / 1:04 pm

    Bummer has a hard time watching the video of the father, with the child crying in the background. Anyone who would dare expose their child to this type of abuse needs to be dealt with severely. Horsewhipped would suffice. The “old guy” can’t understand this mentality. Forget the flagging, the mental illness is the real issue.


    • Salvador Alex Litvak January 14, 2013 / 6:01 pm

      Roger that, Bummer. The kid’s voice is heartbreaking. Unfortunately, his most important role model is contemptible. Where will he end up?

  3. Michael Confoy January 14, 2013 / 1:22 pm

    What is their obsession with the VMFA of all places? I don’t understand.

    • Andy Hall January 14, 2013 / 1:53 pm

      The short answer is, the VMFA stands on state property, on the grounds of what once was the state’s old Confederates home. One of (I believe) two still remaining on the grounds is the chapel, traditionally known as Pelham Chapel. For years, the VMFA has leased the chapel to the local SCV camp, which uses it for a variety of functions.

      Sometime in the 1990s, I think, the SCV began flying Confederate flags on the exterior of the chapel. (If that was done on a regular basis when there were actual, real-life Confederate veterans living on the grounds, I haven’t seen clear documentation of it.) In the most recent renewal of the lease to the SCV, the VMFA prohibited the display on Confederate flags on the outside of the building; there are no restrictions on the interior. The SCV camp didn’t like it, but they signed the lease anyway. Legally, it’s a done deal.

      Since 2011, the Virginia Flaggers have been regularly protesting this move, and concocting confrontations with VMFA security guards, the UDC headquarters next door, and pretty much anyone else, in an effort to show that they’re being victimized under the oppressive boot heel of political correctness, fascist cops, etc. They’ve done a good job at maintaining a high profile among their followers, and continually stoking the flames of resentful victimhood, but they do seem to lack much consideration of what their end-game is. If they think that antics like this are going to win them concessions or sympathy when it comes time to renew that lease on the Pelham Chapel, they’re bigger fools than I thought.

      • Michael Confoy January 18, 2013 / 11:58 am

        Thanks Andy, now I understand (sort of). What a bunch of rubes never the less. They may make the news in Richmond, but they don’t seem to even be a blip on the news radar across the rest of the state. If only they could all take a lesson from John S. Mosby.

        • Andy Hall January 18, 2013 / 4:09 pm

          “Sort of” understanding is about as close as it gets. It helps to keep in mind that “honoring Confederate ancestors” almost always means, as a practical matter, more and bigger flags, regardless of the actual practice 100 or 150 years ago.

  4. Jeffry Burden January 14, 2013 / 6:43 pm

    Two observations:

    Judging by his shoulder patch, the guard he confronts is a Virginia-sworn museum officer with full police powers, not a private guard.

    His two-stepping at the end reminds me of the way the Lieutenant moved under fire in the recent comedic video (“We’re gonna FIGHT, and we’re gonna WIN…”)

  5. Rob Baker January 17, 2013 / 6:28 am

    David Tatum posted the defendant’s side of the story on his blog. The claim is that the security officer pushed him from behind and then took the flag away.

    This “honoring my ancestors” argument is loose at best. He went they to make a scene. They (flaggers) go there to make a scene. That is not necessarily a bad thing when one wants to make a political challenge (Susan B. Anthony anyone?), but to disguise it as “honoring” someone is simply dishonest.

    • Andy Hall January 17, 2013 / 11:43 am

      “The claim is that the security officer pushed him from behind and then took the flag away.”

      No, they took a six-foot pole away. He had been informed he was going to be arrested, and responded by telling the officer he would “defend himself” if touched — which is to say, he would resist arrest. The security officer did a textbook job of removing a potential weapon from Lewis’ hands, and did so without injury to himself, to Lewis, or to the general public.

      Whether Lewis should have been arrested is, perhaps, a different question; the Flaggers have not deigned to release clear audio and video of whatever interaction(s) between the security officers and Lewis preceded this. Once the decision had been made to arrest Lewis, it was handled entirely appropriately. The notion that Lewis was “assaulted” is asinine. In Texas, at least, we know what excessive force is, and what happened at the VMFA on Saturday ain’t it.

    • Andy Hall January 17, 2013 / 1:34 pm

      It’s also worth noting in all of this that Dave Tatum is, himself, a professional security guard. While Dave is generally supportive of Tripp Lewis’ intent, he also hasn’t joined the chorus chanting “assault!” Neither has John Henry Taylor, one of the more prominent VMFA Flaggers and, as it happens, a retired Richmond police officer.

      If Dave Tatum and John Henry Taylor want to do something constructive in this, they can start by telling the Flaggers’ supporters that they’re doing their credibility no favors by shrieking “assault,” when nothing of the sort happened.

  6. tonygunter January 17, 2013 / 9:53 am

    The security guard *pushed* him and took his flag? That’s nuts. The security guard put a hand on his shoulder, then the guy responded by tossing his flag, slapping the security guard, and then dancing around like he was trying to figure out if he was going to put his pamphlet down or get down into some half-baked judo stance.

    The guy has also posted video of the “assault” on his daughter, where the female security guard tried to hug her and tell her everything was ok. Here’s hoping he gets “filing a false police report” added to his charge for filing the assault charge against the female security officer.

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