More Chuckles Courtesy of the SHPG … The Gift That Keeps On Giving

I have allowed the wonderful people at the Southern Heritage Preservation Group, also known as “the gift that keeps on giving,” to proceed along their merry way for some time without commentary, because, frankly, they had become boring and predictable. However, a recent comment merits attention as a demonstration of the distance the SHPG maintains away from reality. It appeared in a conversation about whether the SHPG should pursue efforts to try United States leaders for war crimes committed during the Civil War (this from a group that contains members who embrace Nathan Bedford Forrest). Here’s the comment:

It would be interesting to file a suit to try several of the Union military leaders and politicians for war crimes. By today’s standard, I think they would probably be convicted. Lincoln, Grant, Sheridan, Butler come to mind. Unfortunately, it would be costly. A more interesting suit may be for the recovery of the financial loss due to emancipation which was clearly illegal. Can you imagine receiving a check for the cost of your family’s slaves in todays money?

No William T. Sherman? What’s wrong with these people? No David Hunter? Goodness!

I thought very few white southerners owned slaves … and certainly very few members of the SHPG admit to having slaveholding ancestors … until the question of slaveholder reparations came up. Then everyone wants to cash in on the slaves their ancestors supposedly didn’t own.

Just one question: will these people then compensate the descendants of the people their ancestors enslaved, sold, exploited, raped, and so on, for the work that they failed to pay for so long ago?

I doubt it.

13 thoughts on “More Chuckles Courtesy of the SHPG … The Gift That Keeps On Giving

  1. Michael Confoy July 11, 2013 / 5:46 am

    The only compensation should be to those forced into bondage. It’s nonsense like this that makes me wish Sherman had been able to make more of the south howl.

  2. Jimmy Dick July 11, 2013 / 7:37 am

    It reflects their one track “I’m a victim” mentality. They would have to put their Saint Bobby Lee and Saint Jefferson Davis up there as well and you know that won’t sit well with them.

    These people are not victims. Their ancestors including mine owned slaves. They rebelled against the lawful government of the United States and lost. Tough.

    I also like the line about emancipation being clearly illegal. Another sign of a deranged mind that refuses to accept reality.

    At a certain point intelligent people admit their errors and move on to being productive people living happy lives. Lost Causers want to be victims and refuse to accept the truth. They’re like a broken record repeatedly saying the same thing over and over again. I guess they’ll just have to live a miserable life because their ideas on the Lost Cause are grounded upon lies and a deliberate refusal to accept facts.

  3. Jennifer Cotton July 11, 2013 / 9:19 am

    Well, it seems obvious enough that the 14th amendment would limit the reparations claim, but it would still be an ideal opportunity to expose the fraud of the 14th, so I am for it. The real fun, though, is going to be in the blame game. If we are going to demonize slave owners for enslaving, selling, exploiting, and raping slaves, we are most certainly going to include all slave owners in that demonization. This means no one is spared. We will sneer with contempt at the slave owners in Mississippi and South Carolina, as well as the slave owners in Kentucky and Missouri. We will demonstrate vitriol and hostility for the slave owners in Georgia and Alabama, and the slave-traders of Massacusetts and Rhode Island will likewise be assailed. And when the the sugar producing Lousiana slave owners become the objects of our animosity , so too will the Pennsylvania sugar processors who bought the slave sugar. And when we talk about the beating and raping of slaves, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson will be the first names discussed.

    Like I said, I’m all for it.

    • Brooks D. Simpson July 11, 2013 / 9:52 am

      Say hello to Reed. Glad to see that you think slavery is bad. We had our doubts as to how you felt.

    • Jimmy Dick July 11, 2013 / 4:21 pm

      I like how the 14th Amendment is exposed every day as the reality it is. The only people who think it is a fraud are those that hate the fact that James Madison’s original idea of incorporating the amendments into the Constitution finally became a reality. Of course these people also can’t accept the fact that the states have been the biggest abusers of the rights of their citizens, nor do they think many people should have rights. If we left things up to the Lost Causers the country would be ruled and I use that word in every sense of the majestic form of dictatorship it can mean by an elite class of elderly white men who are rich while everyone else would be a second class citizen or worse.
      That just is not going to happen.

  4. Tony July 11, 2013 / 9:25 am

    My ACW ancestor owned slaves *and* committed war crimes. So I got that going for me 🙂

  5. Jennifer Cotton July 11, 2013 / 9:35 pm

    Returning to the objective merits of the claim, the SHPG position is actually quite sound. The emancipation of slave property, without proper compensation to the persons from whom the property was taken, was overt theft, and it constituted a clear and palpable violation of the 5th amendment. The inherent weakness in the SHPG claim, however, is the competing and contradicting language of section 4 of the 14th amendment. Still, the controlling fact is that the “ratification” of the 14th amendment was corrupt and lawless, rendering the 14th, in it’s entirety, a legal nullity. So again, with a view to rescinding and abrogating the 14th amendment, the SHPG should file the case.

    • Jimmy Dick July 12, 2013 / 10:58 am

      How can you say its ratification was corrupt and lawless when the process followed the US Constitution? The only way to alter the 14th Amendment is by amending it constitutionally. There is no other way.
      So go back to your whining. Don’t bother to bring up the Lost Cause bs about the 14th because it has been found lacking of legal power or legal value.
      You’re just going to have to accept the fact that your fictional view of the CW and the past is a deliberate lie. The sooner you do that the better you will be.

  6. Jennifer Cotton July 12, 2013 / 11:44 am

    The constitution does not recognize a “military district”, and a “military district” cannot ratify the constitution, only a state can. Any state that was coerced into “ratifying” the constitution in order to be readmitted to union did not ratify the constitution at all. It really is that simple, so the 14th amendment is a corrupt fraud.

    • Brooks D. Simpson July 12, 2013 / 11:48 am

      Say hello to Clarissa, too. William A. Dunning explored these issues a century ago.

    • Jimmy Dick July 12, 2013 / 1:58 pm

      Same old garbage. Nothing new. Yawn.

    • SF Walker July 13, 2013 / 1:18 am

      Are we to understand that you’re upset that the defeated South was forced to grant equal protection under the law and due process for all its citizens in return for regaining representation in Congress? I think under the circumstances it was pretty generous. Many, if not most civil wars have ended with executions of the defeated leaders.

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