It was only a matter of time.
As you might expect, the folks at the Southern Heritage Preservation Group have plenty to say about the Virginia Flaggers’ proposal to erect a flagpole to fly the Confederate Battle Flag along I-95 south of Richmond. But it turned ugly on Friday.
The occasion was a post linking to a discussion of the matter on syracuse.com. At first there was the usual chatter, until one poster said out loud what he really thought:
So Mr. Chambers goes after African Americans, while Carl W. Roden, taking a break from his interest in writing sexually-laced stories involving characters from Nickelodeon cartoons (another aspiring southern romance writer, no doubt) claims that those southern blacks who oppose the CBF “are just puppets.”
Sure, it’s all about heritage, not hate, and it has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with racism. Right, “DarthRoden”?
And then, after a few more exchanges, it got simply strange.
And then, before long, it got worse.
Ah, so now African Americans are like Nazis, eh?
Those wanting to follow the entire exchange can visit the SHPG Facebook page … that is, until someone realizes what’s being said and how embarrassing it looks to a group that says it doesn’t tolerate racism. Then the thread will disappear (this happens frequently).
Still, I just can’t get over Carl Roden’s other advocation. I think DarthRoden identifies with the lead character in Hey Arnold.
Roden’s stories are just plain weird. I have watched many Nick cartoons with my kids but never in my wildest dreams did I ever think of something like that. Once again if Facebook is going to follow its policy of pulling racist postings, then this rant will disappear but Internet caching will remind future generations what a racist nut Randy Chambers is (ending in a preposition!). I hope he doesn’t have children.
I refuse to click on any link with “sexually laced”(so many ways that can go) and “Nickeoleon cartoon characters.”
Not a bad idea.
It’s unfortunate that we can’t send Carl Roden back in time to lead his imaginary legions of Black Confederates into battle.
I await his Hey Arnold line of romance novels to be published by Connie Chastain.
I don’t see anything objectionable about what Randy Chambers is saying.
It’s true that the vast majority of blacks (with the exception of a few outliers) hate the Confederate battle flag. It’s also true that blacks in Selma and Memphis, not to mention the NAACP in South Carolina, are responsible for the renaming of Confederate parks, the destruction of Confederate monuments, and the removal of Confederate flags.
It’s Carl Roden who is living in a Rainbow Confederate fantasy dreamworld.
Well, Carl and David Tatum (sometimes known as Dumb and Dumber) are a class unto themselves. Carl says he sees southern blacks as mindless and devoid of their own will … puppets … which suggests what he really thinks about African Americans. Karen Cooper’s presence among the Flaggers is easily explained in part because she apparently doesn’t like black people, either (go figure). I’ve already highlighted Connie Chastain’s chatter about whiteness.
See, I think the Rainbow Confederates (as you style them) are posturing for public consumption. As a rule they don’t particularly care for people who aren’t white southern Christians. Oh, they’ll point to an exception here and there, but that’s just it: those are exceptions, not examples. Some of them are paternalistic, while others (like Carl here) reveal their true sentiments once in a while. Perhaps they can’t decide whether they feel guilty about what they believe. I’s suggest that you should not chastise them for believing what they believe: you should chastise them for not saying what they believe, which, I’d suggest, is not all that different than what you believe. Of course, when it comes to an understanding of the antebellum South, they are in complete denial, while you recognize the centrality of slavery and race to the antebellum southern political and social structure.
I understand that you don’t object to what Randy Chambers is saying. That the SHPG allows him to say what he says on their page given what they claim they believe is another matter. But then I think all their chatter about tolerance and respect is just that.
I’ve been wanting to write a short e-book called The Rise and Fall of the Rainbow Confederacy which would trace how this nonsense came into existence in the 1980s and 1990s and was projected back in time onto the historical Confederacy.
Who were the key players in inventing the myth of the Rainbow Confederacy? When did the Sons of Confederate Veterans buy into this stuff? What prompted the change? How did it go down with the older members of the SCV? How was this misinformation spread around the internet?
There’s a great book I once read called Racial Attitudes in America; Trends and Interpretations which has a lot of polling data on how Southern racial attitudes changed in the 1980s and 1990s. Although I haven’t done the research, I suspect that is why the Rainbow Confederacy was conjured into existence around that time.
Alexander Stephens in regards to Thomas Jefferson and other Founders:
“The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically.”
He went to say:
“This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the ‘storm came and the wind blew.’”
So Mr. Chambers is much closer to Mr. Stephens’ sentiment, and many others of the early 1860s. Moreover, how some folks on the SHPG side and elsewhere continue to deny this simple fact is beyond me. As I have said many times, at least Stephens was honest. At least Chambers is likewise dealing in truism.
Stephens also added this:
“With us, all of the white race, however high or low, rich or poor, are equal in the eye of the law. Not so with the negro. Subordination is his place. He, by nature, or by the curse against Canaan, is fitted for that condition which he occupies in our system.”
So I wonder what Stephens would make of these silly claims of “black Confederates” which are all the rage today? I only wish he was alive so he could tell some of these folks how wrong they are.
Well Fredrick Douglass also wrote of black Confederates existence, as early as 1861. “Free men of color” also exist in Confederate muster rolls.
While we are speaking of quotes, I’m sure you are equally familiar with Lincoln’s quotes spouting white supremacy, aren’t you?
All addressed here some time ago.
I was totally lost from the beginning because I’m from rural Southern Indiana and have no IDEA what the heck he’s coming from. Maybe the mind-washing never took with me.
Glad to find this. I just had a testy exchange to Roden (Rodent) and he made a sexually suggestive comment about my daughter…..that;s when I realized he was a sicko.
The “man” is pathetic … which may explain why Hathaway and Chastain are so fond of him.