Connie Chastain, Bigot

ConnieRedcc1It is a sign of Connie Chastain’s desperation lately that she’s taken to mocking people’s appearance on her blog.

You can gather from these images why appearance is such a matter of  concern to her. No Photoshop needed to reveal her appearance.

Besides, there’s something else about what appears on her blog that is really ugly, and she created that, too.

You might miss it at first when you look at the map, one that makes the poor widdle Flaggers flag look bigger than it really is …

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Look closer:

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Connie Chastain, bigot.

Sometimes the real ugliness is to be found inside a person, in Chastain’s poor excuse for a soul.

Such is the person who boasts of being an “honorary” Virginia Flagger … just like Matthew Heimbach. I wonder what else they have in common.

74 thoughts on “Connie Chastain, Bigot

  1. Patrick Young October 13, 2013 / 10:08 pm

    For some reason people who talk the most about heritage and religion don’t believe Muslims should be able to participate in either.

    • PaulRevered October 13, 2013 / 11:49 pm

      Muslims have a right to worship their god in a way that is meaningful to them. They do not have a right to suppress speech, set up a separate legal system, or be given special deals on property that others are denied. They don’t have a right to staff-lead prayer in public schools. They do not have the right to eliminate pork from school lunches in public schools. Soon they will have a right to polygamy. They are already practicing it now through immigration fraud.

      Muslim Brotherhood’s Strategic Plan for North America:

      “The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.” — An Explanatory Memorandum: On a General Strategic Goal for the Group. Evidence from United States vs. Holyland Foundation

      • Patrick Young October 14, 2013 / 5:24 am

        I have to thank you for alerting us to the danger of the elimination of pork from school lunches. After all, the presence of pork helps us identify the crypto-Jews within the student body.

        • PaulRevered October 14, 2013 / 3:14 pm

          I have friends who are Jewish and attended public schools where they had pork on the menu with regularity. It was not a problem for them.

          • Brooks D. Simpson October 14, 2013 / 10:01 pm

            Did they attend public schools in Fresno, Lori?

          • PaulRevered October 15, 2013 / 12:17 am

            What exactly is the purpose of that question Brooks D. Simpson?

          • Brooks D. Simpson October 15, 2013 / 6:29 am

            Are you unable to answer the question, Lori?

          • Paul Revered October 15, 2013 / 1:49 pm

            What is the purpose of your question?

          • Brooks D. Simpson October 15, 2013 / 3:44 pm

            I guess you are unable to answer the question, Lori. We just wanted to know where you made your observation, and whether it was where you currently live … in Fresno.

          • Patrick Young October 14, 2013 / 10:20 pm

            …because my point was that Jews don’t want Christians to eat pork, right Paul?

          • Brooks D. Simpson October 14, 2013 / 10:25 pm

            For more on “Paul” and “his” views, visit “his” Pinterest account. It belongs to the owner of the poster’s email address.

            See the entry on pork. 🙂

          • Patrick Young October 15, 2013 / 6:00 am

            Paul does not seem to be aware of the pork controversy in Israel, the only country which has a Jewish majority. Here is a bit of history from Slate indicating that not all Jews are open to the production of pork:

            The story of Israel’s contemporary pork industry dates back 50 years, when the Knesset passed a law banning the production of pork in Israel. The law—considered to be one of the most controversial in Israeli history—was designed with a loophole that permitted raising hogs in majority Christian regions in the North as a concession to Israel’s religious minorities and the young democracy. As a result, Christian-Arab towns became hog country. Although ultra-Orthodox politicians over the years have attempted to fully ban pork production, the law has limited the growth of the industry while simultaneously protecting Christian pork interests.

      • M.D. Blough October 14, 2013 / 11:01 am

        I have seen considerably more attempts, and success, at all of what you list coming from Christians. The oft-claimed “removing” prayer from public schools did no such thing. Those court decisions barred schools from forcing students to participate in prayer where everything was state-mandated from the form of the prayer, when the prayers was performed, and that school personnel would lead it. When I was in school, there was also Bible reading every morning despite a running dispute over whether it would be the a Protestant bible (then sub-arguments among the KJ, RSV, etc.) and the Douay-Rheims-Challoner for the Catholics (my school district was a rural Pennsylvania one with a single Jewish person). When I was in school it was not unusual for Friday school lunch menus to be meat free (before the Roman Catholic Church ban on eating meat on Fridays was eliminated). There are those who belong to denominations which broke away from the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints over the revelation that rejected polygamy for the LDS and who still practice polygamy (ever watch Sister Wives on TLC?). As to immigration fraud? Who knows?

        There is the difficult and touchy matter of immigration of people who are legally married to each other in their home country.

        As for your great “evidence”, that would be like judging all Catholics of Irish descent based on the position of “charitable” groups that were fronts for the Provisional IRA and other splinter groups during the Troubles of the 20th Century.

        If an individual or group violates laws of general applicability then judge them on that violation but don’t deem people guilty without charging or trial based on their religion.

        • Patrick Young October 14, 2013 / 1:12 pm

          Immigration law in the US does not recognize polygamous marriage, so it is very non-touchy. This provision was put in to counter the arrival of Mormons.In fact, anyone seeking admission with the intent of practicing polygamy in the US is barred from entry. Other legal marriages in the sending country are generally recognized under US immigration laws except those which violate public policy such as marriage of brother and sister or marriages to children. Until June, same sex marriages were also not recognized, but that has changed.

          On the other hand, we have always recognized marriages between unloving jerks incapable of intimacy.

          • PaulRevered October 14, 2013 / 2:57 pm

            Patrick, are you trying to tell me that the immigration laws are being enforced? What a joke. It is called immigration fraud. A muslim man comes here with one wife, or single and marries here. He then divorces his wife, goes overseas and brings a new wife; divorces here and gets another wife, etc. He is living with or still having relations with all of these women he considers wives. All of the children are on welfare and the guy is making a handsome living.

          • Patrick Young October 14, 2013 / 6:31 pm

            Are you talking about a specific malefactor, or is this just your fever dream?

            By the way, you seem to know nothing about immigration law or Islam.

          • PaulRevered October 14, 2013 / 9:37 pm

            I know a lot about Islam, because I was one of those who believed that Islam was a religion similar to mine, though much more severe. I remember the Hezbollah attack on US Marines and French forces in Beirut. I remember all of the terrorist attacks during the Clinton administration. I see the Clinton connection to the Muslim Brotherhood through Huma Wiener. Unbelievable. I know of the tens of millions of dollars poured into universities by Wahabbis seeking to impose their propaganda. I have seen the propaganda in middle school and high school textbooks. I have noted that muslims who realize that they can’t convert me or bring me to their way of thinking are no longer interested in friendship. I have not noticed that with Christians. I have taken university courses where the professor has presented information that lead me into a deeper investigation of historical facts (because I suspected he was wrong; he was). I reject Islam as a religious or political system that is worthy of emulating. I know the fate of the “dhimmi” of once Christian lands. Most Americans DO NOT know these things.

            Call me an “extremist”, an “Islamophobe”; it will only be effective in an Islamophilic administration seeking the destruction of the Judeo-Christian ethic which underlies the American Revolution.

          • Patrick Young October 14, 2013 / 10:16 pm

            Paul you wrote: “I know a lot about Islam, because I was one of those who believed that Islam was a religion similar to mine, though much more severe.” That is either a nonsequitor or are you really saying that a person who knows a lot about Islam knows it is similar to your own?

          • PaulRevered October 15, 2013 / 12:25 am

            World events and college classes lead me to do in depth research on Islam.

          • Patrick Young October 14, 2013 / 10:18 pm

            Paul, you wrote: “I have taken university courses where the professor has presented information that lead me into a deeper investigation of historical facts (because I suspected he was wrong; he was).”
            How many courses did you take with this professor? And why did you take multiple courses with him if you suspected he was wrong?

          • PaulRevered October 15, 2013 / 12:29 am

            Several courses with him. I took them because it always lead me to deeper investigation, and although he is a leftist he encourages respectful debate. I learned a lot from him.

          • Patrick Young October 15, 2013 / 5:41 am

            My favorite line from Paul is: “I have noted that muslims who realize that they can’t convert me or bring me to their way of thinking are no longer interested in friendship.” Which makes me think his/her screed is less motivated by political/religious factors and more motivated by a personal sense of rejection and loneliness.

            BTW Paul, if you want to be friends with Muslims, you should probably try to address your bigotry issues. I’m guessing that is the real reason they don’t want to be friends with you.

            Since I have Muslim friends in spite of my own aggressive Irish Catholicism, my penchant for drinking beer, my prodigious pork consumption, and my unwillingness to take multiple wives, I would be happy to give you hints on how to break the ice and make Muslim friends.

            First lesson: When you meet an attractive young Muslim woman at your local humus stand, after you say “I know a lot about Islam” resist the urge say the following in the next two sentences: “I remember the Hezbollah attack on US Marines and French forces in Beirut. I remember all of the terrorist attacks during the Clinton administration.” In fact, you may want to resist saying “I know a lot about Islam” because you don’t.

          • PaulRevered October 14, 2013 / 9:41 pm

            Read the Pact of Umar. Connie is right. I know nothing of her other beliefs. I know about Islam. I have studied it extensively. Read ‘The Dhimmi’ by Bat Ye’or.

          • Brooks D. Simpson October 15, 2013 / 12:03 am

            Is this the case in Fresno? Do you know anyone who works in San Francisco who could share their insight about whether such things go on there? Can you cite specific examples?

        • PaulRevered October 14, 2013 / 3:04 pm

          If you go to the court document, which is available online, you will see that every mainstream Muslim organization is associated with the Muslim Brotherhood. It is in their own words. I have talked to Muslims who say that because of the financing, the extremists always gain control of the mosques. This young woman also told me that it may take some time to find out who the Islamist are, because often they wear suits and ties. CAIR told Muslims to NOT cooperate with the FBI, yet this government cowers to their demands.

          I know you would like to label anyone who tells the truth about Islam an “extremist”.

          • Patrick Young October 14, 2013 / 6:35 pm

            OK Paul, I’m sure you talk to a lot of Muslims. I mean, Muslims I know love to talk to anti-Muslim bigots. And of course, in these offhand conversations with you they give away the secret plan to conquer America because the Brotherhood forgot to tell them not to tell people about it. That appears to be a flaw in their operation.

            When I’m beheaded as an infidel, I’ll be the first person to come crying to you, and you know it.

          • PaulRevered October 14, 2013 / 8:46 pm

            As I said, I talked to a moderate Muslim woman, whose father was actually a socialist. She said that most of the people go to the mosque for fellowship, but that radicals always gain control because the funding comes primarily from the Wahabbis in addition to the Iranian regime in some cases. They wear suits and ties. You must watch them over time. You must observe the literature they possess. You must take note of the speakers that they sponsor. I have met and talked to most of the prominent Muslim apostates. Most of those living in the United States are in hiding due to constant threats to their lives. “Hard right Christians” denote those who love the Constitution and the principles of the American founding. Those are Judeo-Christian principles. Interesting that muslim apostates fully embrace the freedoms that America offers. American principles reject jizya, and reject the legal and religious disabilities inherent in Islam.

            What do you make of the “dry runs” happening on airplanes? What do you make of muslims re-enacting the actions of the 911 hijackers, then suing airlines for discrimination when they are removed from flights? What do you make of muslims pushing for the end to instruction on muslim tactics of war at military colleges and pre-deployment classes? What do you make of rules of engagement that put our military members at a disadvantage when fighting the Taliban?

          • Brooks D. Simpson October 15, 2013 / 12:08 am

            “What do you make of muslims re-enacting the actions of the 911 hijackers, then suing airlines for discrimination when they are removed from flights?”

            Mmmm. So there’s a case since September 11, 2001, where Muslims took over several commercial jet airliners, crashed them into buildings which were badly damaged or which collapsed completely, and those Muslims then filed suit from the great beyond (since death is what would remove them from flights if they were reenacting certain actions on 9-11)? Who covered this up? Would you trust Geraldo Rivera to uncover the truth? Is this another plot of the current administration?

          • Patrick Young October 15, 2013 / 5:19 am

            Paul wrote: “She said that most of the people go to the mosque for fellowship, but that radicals always gain control because the funding comes primarily from the Wahabbis in addition to the Iranian regime in some cases”

            It would be quite odd for the “Iranian regime” and “the Wahabbis” to fund the same mosques since the “regime” is Shiite and “the Wahabbis” are Sunni. Can you point to mosques in the US that receive funding from both?

          • Patrick Young October 15, 2013 / 5:50 am

            I found this passage from Paul interesting: “I have talked to Muslims who say that because of the financing, the extremists always gain control of the mosques. This young woman also told me that it may take some time to find out who the Islamist are, because often they wear suits and ties.”

            First Paul says he has “talked to Muslims” (pl.) then he refers to the Muslims as gendered and singular, “this young woman”. We later find out that this woman is from a socialist family. I’m not sure if Paul mentions that to indicate that socialists are particularly truthful, or if they can be assumed to have special knowledge of what goes on inside conservative religious movements within Islam.

            This passage is also intriguing: “it may take some time to find out who the Islamist are, because often they wear suits and ties.” I’ll bet they also wear shoes and socks.

            So maybe it isn’t the Muslims we need to fear, it is the men in the suits and ties?

            If I recall correctly, it was just these men who nearly destroyed the world economy in 2007.

        • PaulRevered October 14, 2013 / 3:12 pm

          Are you saying that the IRA had an extensive funding pipeline in the United States which raised hundreds of millions of dollars for them? Can you name these charities which did this? Which Catholic churches brought IRA terrorists to the US to raise money for terrorism? Which Catholic terrorist organizations gave tens of millions of dollars to universities to ply their propaganda?

          This should be good.

  2. M.D. Blough October 13, 2013 / 11:17 pm

    That was like the effort to fund religious schools in Louisiana where the sponsors were appalled to find out that Muslim schools were eligible.

    • Brooks D. Simpson October 13, 2013 / 11:33 pm

      What is it about the Flaggers that they attract (and embrace) people like Chastain and Heimbach?

  3. PaulRevered October 13, 2013 / 11:40 pm

    Mosque building goes on in the USA at record pace, while Muslims slaughter Christians, Jews, Hindus, and each other, and destroy churches, synagogues, temples, and other religious shrines. The same people who are funding these mosques are funding the killers.

    “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers….” (Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Prime Minister of Turkey)

    • Brooks D. Simpson October 14, 2013 / 1:07 am

      So, are you opposed to building them? Would you deny freedom of worship? Any other religions that you think ought to be shut down?

  4. PaulRevered October 14, 2013 / 1:37 am

    Muslim Brotherhood’s Strategic Plan for North America

    “The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.” — An Explanatory Memorandum: On a General Strategic Goal for the Group

    That sounds like a plan to overthrow the American government and deny First Amendment rights to me. NO, they should not be able to operate in this country. Their religion tells them they must subdue every human being under Islamic Sharia. It is a political system wrapped in religion. YES, I would stop that kind of activity.

    • Brooks D. Simpson October 14, 2013 / 10:31 am

      So, you oppose the building of mosques and and you would deny freedom of religion to believers in Islam?

      Would you shut down the building of churches because the KKK used burning crosses?

      • PaulRevered October 14, 2013 / 3:26 pm

        Does the KKK get hundreds of millions of dollars of funding from foreign sources? Where have they established whole departments at major universities with foreign money to further their cause, which is anti-Jew, anti-Christian, anti-Hindu, or any other non-Muslim ideology? Show me where the New Testament supports what the KKK does. You can’t. I can show you in the koran where the jihadi violence is supported, even commanded.

        How tragic that your hatred of Christianity causes you to embrace an ideology that kills rape victims, homosexuals, and allows sex with children.

        • Brooks D. Simpson October 14, 2013 / 6:11 pm

          What pathetic claptrap in support of bigotry. When you equate tolerance with a hatred of Christianity, you reveal just how much you don’t understand — or practice — that faith. When you equate acceptance of religious freedom with sanctioning crimes of violence, you reveal just how hopeless and hate-filled you are. No wonder you won’t post under your real name.

          At least have the integrity to say that you endorse Chastain’s bigotry. She also bends over backwards to excuse antiSemitism. And we won’t even remind folks about how she tells us that slavery wasn’t all bad or her waffling about her racial views. She’s clearly your kind of person.

          • PaulRevered October 14, 2013 / 10:03 pm

            Frankly I don’t know anything about Connie Chastain. I do know about Islam. I thought Crossroads was about Civil War history. My mistake. Just another anti-Christian, Islamophilic group that makes excuses for our incompetent president because he is black. White guilt is a terrible thing. I reject it. Stand on the content of your character. Socialism is a failed idea.

            FYI: I did a review on an article from The Journal of Southern History for a college class. In 45 pages the author’s conclusion was that slaves brought to the US were no more likely to be Muslim than Christian or Animist. Actually they were more likely to be Christian or Animist. Don’t make the mistake of calling me an ignorant redneck with no teeth. That might be amusing in a group of sycophants, which I assume you are.

          • Brooks D. Simpson October 14, 2013 / 10:18 pm

            Tell us more. How’s the weather in Fresno?

            I note, Lori … er, “Paul” … that you have never commented on Civil War topics. But it’s clear that you have some fully-developed (if half-baked) views on other matters. So why not post under your own name? Or would it embarrass someone if you revealed who you were to everyone?

  5. Jim H October 14, 2013 / 4:24 am

    What is it that attracts bigots? A sense of entitlement to bigotry. Often expressed as “liberty.”

  6. Schroeder October 14, 2013 / 6:03 am

    You do know not of what you speak, Paul Revered, if that is your real name. Have you ever read ANY religion text in its’ entirety? Most likely not, given your filibusters above. There is no one ‘right’ belief system. One is either born into a belief system, or chooses a belief system, if they are so inclined. You are focusing on extremists/fundamentalists, of which you will find in EVERY belief system – you sound to be an extremist if you believe any of what you’ve spouted from that mouth of yours. You are as bad as any extremist. Anti-Islamic sentiment is perpetuated by people like yourself and is only a trending topi because the US is at war with fundamentalist extremists, like yourself. Embrace others for who they are, you may be surprised. Insha’Allah.

    • PaulRevered October 14, 2013 / 4:22 pm

      Yes I have read these religious texts. I know how the koran is put together. It is not chronological. I also know that the later verses abrogate the earlier verses. When mohammed was trying to get converts, he was peaceful. He even allowed them to worship the three daughters of al-illah in Mecca, until monotheists would have none of it. What kind of prophet of God encourages idol worship? What kind of prophet of God fantasizes about children, and has sex with them?

      The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88

      Mohammad was a warlord, a thief, a rapist, and a murderer, yet you call him a prophet? Your prophet said, “War is deceit.” He would have been proud of you.

      • Brooks D. Simpson October 15, 2013 / 12:11 am

        Didn’t the God of the Old Testament nearly exterminate the entire human race in a really big flood? Just asking why that’s okay with you.

  7. Schroeder October 14, 2013 / 6:12 am

    And in all seriousness, do we really believe that there is a white man dressed in a flowing white robe with a 10ft beard blowing in the wind who has the time, or the inclination, to monitor every human on this earth? Belief systems are meant to enhance one’s life – doesn’t sound like Paul’s belief system is one of kindness and compassion. Do not apply extremist group beliefs to the masses – that is not logical. The US is now a melting pot of religions.

    • Andy Hall October 14, 2013 / 9:49 am

      “Do we really believe that there is a white man dressed in a flowing white robe with a 10ft beard blowing in the wind who has the time, or the inclination, to monitor every human on this earth?”

      Not long ago Susan Hathaway took a dubious, over-the-top tall tale — later acknowledged to be wholly fictitious — and claimed it was manifest and undeniable evidence of God’s direct intervention on behalf of Confederate Heritage. So yes, people do believe that, and are quick to use it to claim God’s active, boots-on-the-ground support of their particular cause. A secular-minded person might see that assertion as ludicrous; a religious one might view it as prideful and blasphemous.

    • Brooks D. Simpson October 14, 2013 / 10:29 am

      However, that entity may be the only being able to see the I-95 flag during the summer months.

    • PaulRevered October 14, 2013 / 4:33 pm

      I oppose lying, stealing, murder, torture, rape, executing homosexuals, executing rape victims, kidnapping, forcibly converting people to another religion, taxing people who reject a religion, beating women, polygamy, extortion, slavery; all of which are sacralized in the koran and Islamic law.

      Why are there so few members of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy? Zuhdi Jasser is opposed by all of the Muslim Brotherhood front groups in the US. Do you agree with Dr. Jasser that it is possible to reform Islam?

      • Brooks D. Simpson October 15, 2013 / 12:14 am

        “I oppose lying, stealing, murder, torture, rape, executing homosexuals, executing rape victims, kidnapping, forcibly converting people to another religion, taxing people who reject a religion, beating women, polygamy, extortion, slavery; all of which are sacralized in the koran and Islamic law.”

        I assume you’ve read the Bible, right? And I’m sure you’re well-read in the history of Christianity, right?

  8. Schroeder October 14, 2013 / 6:17 am

    And as for Constance – those are outdated pics – she’s much older with short hair that looks like a helmet of salt and pepper.

    • Brooks D. Simpson October 14, 2013 / 10:28 am

      She likes to use them, and so I’m simply representing her as she would like to be seen. No need for Photoshop.

  9. Schroeder October 14, 2013 / 6:57 pm

    Paul Revered. The human race lies, steals, murders, tortures, rapes, has executed homosexuals and rape victims, kidnapped, some people are pedophiles, tax when they can, beat women and abuse the disabled and elders, extort, some are polygamous, etc. etc. You are most likely basing your views on the Islamic extremists that you have heard about in the media.

    Extremist Islam is in portions of the world, as are many extremist religions. You are focused only on Islam because it is trending in the news. If we were at war with India, you’d be saying the same thing about Hinduism, etc. etc.

    You have not been exposed to mainstream Muslims who live in peace, are against polygamy, (polygamy goes on in all religions – so does infidelity), both husband and wife have careers and drive – you are fixated on the problems in a third world where they are still riding horses and wielding swords – different world.

    The extremists of EVERY religion who are doing harm need to reform – but that probably won’t happen because they are too far gone in their belief systems and despise others for their belief systems. I am assuming that you were baptized a Christian? Most hard right Christians have this mindset – and you have the right to have this mindset, but I’d suggest that you read the religious texts and speak with others of differing belief systems in order to get past the media madness. You are on your way – you’ve met me.

    • M.D. Blough October 14, 2013 / 7:56 pm

      Then there’s what Jefferson has to say on the subject in his “Notes on the State of Virginia” in Query 17 “Religion”
      http://web.archive.org/web/20110221131421/http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=JefVirg.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=17&division=div1:

      >> But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. If it be said, his testimony in a court of justice cannot be relied on, reject it then, and be the stigma on him. Constraint may make him worse by making him a hypocrite, but it will never make him a truer man. It may fix him obstinately in his errors, but will not cure them. Reason and free enquiry are the only effectual agents against error. Give a loose to them, they will support the true religion, by bringing every false one to their tribunal, to the test of their investigation. They are the natural enemies of error, and of error only.<<

      • PaulRevered October 14, 2013 / 8:53 pm

        Surely Jefferson had no idea that Islam was more than a religion. It is a political system which imposes religious and legal disabilities onto non-muslims. He had a koran because he wanted to understand the ideology of the Barbary pirates who were kidnapping Americans. Please read a book on Barbary piracy. It was horrendous.

        • M.D. Blough October 14, 2013 / 9:55 pm

          You can’t be serious. Jefferson was a well-read and very sophisticated man who spent a number of years living in France as a representative of the United States. The Christianity of his era not only was an established part of the government in many countries but even in states in the United States Jefferson and Madison led the fight to disestablish the Anglican (Episcopal) Church as the official church of the Commonwealth of Virginia. Massachusetts started its colonial history as a theocracy and not only were Quakers hung but those who failed to follow the orthodoxy were expelled from the colony. Many states discriminated against non-Christians, even non-Protestants. The First Amendment, before the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment, only applied to the federal government.

          The idea that you have that only Islam is capable of atrocities or having political elements to it can only be produced by the blinders of bigotry. My ancestors were Brethren and Mennonites who fled to William Penn’s Pennsylvania in 1750 from Germany where they were persecuted, imprisoned, harassed and murdered for not believing in the state religion(s) of the various German monarchies, etc. and for believing in adult baptism and rebaptizing those who had been baptized as infants in other denominations.

          I will leave you in your paranoia and bigotry. There is no reasoned discussion possible with you.

          • PaulRevered October 14, 2013 / 11:06 pm

            We are in the twentieth century, are we not? It is one ideology which continues the persecution you pointed out. The American Revolution was different than the French Revolution, which was much more anti-religious due to the imposition of the Catholic Church in European politics. The First Amendment rejected any State Church, as the European governments accepted. The Constitution rejects any disabilities due to religion, as it equally rejects a political religion. Islam is a political religion. There is no separation of mosque and State. Islam in the United States continues to demand limits on criticism of its tenets.

            ““The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist Process” with all the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.” — An Explanatory Memorandum: On a General Strategic Goal for the Group. Evidence in United States vs Holy Land Foundation

            Islamists have been successful at eliminating any language about jihad, in it’s accepted koranic sense, from the war colleges, and among service members preparing for deployment to the combat theatre. Some of the most important Islamist leaders, some of them known as “moderate”, have acknowledged that jihad is about fighting, in the sense of war. It is the responsibility of every Muslim to support jihad, either through personal combat or financing. Hundreds of millions of dollars have been raised for Islamic jihad in the United States. Where did I learn this? In more than one public meeting hosted by government officials to alert the public to the dangers of terrorism. Eco-terrorism is the most common, but neither veterans nor pro-lifers are involved in this. THIS administration has insisted that veterans and pro-lifers, small government supporters, and tax protesters (which the first American revolutionaries were) are the ones we need to keep our eyes on. Most terrorist attacks, or attempted attacks since 9/11 have been blamed by blowhards like Michael Bloomturd on TEA party activists. How many have turned out to be at the hands of the American Patriot movement? NONE. How dare Obama, Janet Napolitano, and Eric ‘Fast and Furious’ Holder blame Americans who love their country for such crimes!

            Moderate Muslims must SPEAK OUT about the genocide that is going on in the name of their “prophet”. Many times this slaughter is against the indigenous inhabitants who have resisted conversion and held on to their culture and religion.

          • Brooks D. Simpson October 14, 2013 / 11:56 pm

            Thanks for sharing your perspective, Lori.

            Have you ever had anything to say about the Civil War?

            And thanks for endorsing Connie Chastain.

          • Patrick Young October 15, 2013 / 4:18 am

            PaulRevered wrote: “We are in the twentieth century, are we not?”
            No we are not.

        • Patrick Young October 14, 2013 / 10:09 pm

          Read a book on American Christian slavery. It was horrendous. Christian men owned black men, beat them, and killed them. Christian men raped black women. That is why we must protect America from Christian men because of 19th Century slavery.

          • PaulRevered October 14, 2013 / 11:24 pm

            Black men sold black men into slavery. Eight hundred years before Europeans ever set foot on the African continent Arabs had a vigorous slave trade going on. After Christians ended slavery, Muslims continued the practice, and continue it today. It is sacralized in their scriptures.

            A few Africans in America owned slaves. Less than two percent of Americans ever owned slaves. It is Christians who led the abolitionist movement. Why did slavery become racialized in the Americas?

            Ron Segal, hardly a conservative, wrote a book on Islamic slavery. It is full of apologies for his revelations on the brutality of the practice. Did Muslim men own black men and beat them? Actually they preferred castrated black men for their harams. In Africa they slaughtered black men and boys of fighting age, and drove the women and children in chains across the Sahara Desert to slave markets in North Africa. Even Mohammad, the prophet of Islam raped war captives. Did other Muslim men rape their “women whom your right hand possesses”?

            Slavery is a vile practice. PERIOD.

          • Brooks D. Simpson October 14, 2013 / 11:54 pm

            Thanks, Lori.

            You say slavery’s a vile practice. Would you not admit that whites were not forced into buying slaves? Or does the fact that Africans sold the slaves get white people off the hook for buying them? After all, without a market, the practice of enslavement would have been quite different.

            Pointing out that there was slavery elsewhere is not exactly the best excuse for a government explicitly founded upon the cornerstone of slavery, now, is it?

          • Paul Revered October 15, 2013 / 3:09 pm

            What government was founded on the cornerstone of slavery?

          • Brooks D. Simpson October 15, 2013 / 3:40 pm

            The Confederate States of America. Just ask Alexander H. Stephens, the CSA’s vice president.

            Finally, a Civil War-related inquiry from you.

          • Paul Revered October 15, 2013 / 3:43 pm

            OK. Thanks for the clarification. I have read that Robert E. Lee was a devoutly Christian man who opposed slavery, but fought for States’ Rights. What is your opinion?

          • Brooks D. Simpson October 15, 2013 / 3:50 pm

            That assumption withers under scrutiny. Lee’s views on slavery were a bit more complex than some would have it, and he cared little for states rights within the Confederacy.

          • Patrick Young October 15, 2013 / 4:26 am

            Paul: My friend was a slave in Germany in 1945. The end of slavery in the Christian West is relatively recent.

            Just to help you understand what I wrote about Christians and slavery, it was intended to parallel your absurd reference to the Barbary Pirates. BTW, did Jefferson own a Bible to understand the ideology of West Indian pirates?

          • M.D. Blough October 15, 2013 / 9:09 am

            As you know, Patrick, he used the New Testament in order to remove any references to Jesus being the Son of God or any other claims of divinity (He didn’t believe that Jesus himself actually made claims).

          • Flamethrower October 15, 2013 / 3:39 pm

            ” “Hard right Christians” denote those who love the Constitution and the principles of the American founding. Those are Judeo-Christian principles.”

            Actually, all of the top Founders were closer to Deism or Unitarian Christianity, and thought the then Christian masses were inferior to their high upbringing, so they only let other whtie men in their population share of a national 6% vote, and those voters may have been Deists too. The backbone of the Constitution was based on the ideals of the Enlightenment, from the pages of Humanism, and opposed to the warring nature of pre-18th century Christianity.

          • Brooks D. Simpson October 15, 2013 / 3:48 pm

            Always useful to have some actual historical insight in this discussion. As for the rest of the back-and-forth, that’s why there’s a spam filter. Various parties have stated their positions, and, as Lori/Paul reminds us, this is a Civil War blog. No one disputes Chastain’s position: people differ on how they interpret it, and so we move on.

  10. Brooks D. Simpson October 14, 2013 / 9:36 pm

    As Connie said today on Twitter: “Islam and US. liberty and culture are mutually exclusive.”

  11. Schroeder October 15, 2013 / 6:25 am

    So it’s Lori… your name? Regardless, you know nothing of mainstream Islam nor do you know of the many different “branches” of Islam that are region-specific. You are obviously focused on the Muslim brotherhood in the middle eastern region, not Islam in the many other countries that you have not researched. You are only focused on terrorists (like the KKK who hides behind Christianity). You would do well to read “The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying” – beautifully written and very insightful. The “Pale Fox” is another book that you’d benefit from, if you don’t mind very technical reads. Every religion has its’ fair share of atrocities – still ongoing – all over men who we think are prophets and follow like sheep because the human ego cannot fathom the thought of simply returning to dust – therefore, the introduction of “gods” and a life beyond death. Truly that which gives us life is the earth that we are destroying. Belief systems are supposed to enhance one’s life, not create discord. Focus on your belief system and channel your hate into something positive – I can assure you that Muslims aren’t after you, hiding in the hedges, waiting to convert you. Christianity is a belief system that encourages proselytizing (evangelical) – not Islam. Now – if your going to bring up Farrakhan, that’s yet another spin off branch of Islam that came to being.

  12. Brooks D. Simpson October 15, 2013 / 6:36 am

    I would like to thank Lori for offering a fine example of the ignorance and hatred that is at the core of bigotry. That done, there’s no reason to let that continue. She can also drop the fake screen name … unless she wants to admit she hijacked someone else’s account. That issue is presently being addressed.

    Lori claims she is really interested in the Civil War, so we welcome her comments on that subject.

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