… and I use “thinks” loosely.
Jim Crow actuality produced MUCH good for all of society. It was the right thing to do. However what was bad concerning it was where *some* used violence in order to force their views onto others on and individual basis, like personally attacking others.
Originally Jim Crow Laws started as a way to limit voters, similar to a poll tax. Then it was expanded. When it was expanded to force individuals and or businesses to cater to a specific way of dealing with the public, it became wrong and caused a lot of problems, some of which we see the effects of today, and in reverse. It was NEVER the intent of US Constitutional Law to force people to accept social laws which FORCED people to treat people equally or in any specific way, and this includes business. (When EQUALITY is referred in/under the US Constitution, it is meant to refer to all people being EQUAL before the government and its’ established law.)
I mean Jim Crow laws were good from the fact that it limited unqualified and non-vested people from voting. People who has no education, no property, and nothing of worth will be voting to gain anything that profits them. We see the affects of this as all these government welfare programs today. Of course it was those who didn’t have that voted those politicians in that gave it to them. This disregards the morality or the commonsense of laws. This is what turns a Republic into a Democracy, which is nothing more than 2 foxes and a chicken voting on what’s for dinner.
Such limited voting and using Jim Crow laws correctly doesn’t affect just one group of people either, it would affect anyone regardless of color equally. But of course Jim Crow laws were ignored when the voter would vote the right way.
All I’m saying is Jim Crow laws are a good thing in helping determine which people are best qualified to vote. And to be honest, I personally think some people are too rich to vote or even take part in politics. (Good quote from Aristotle on this.)
“Being educated and propertied is no guarantee somebody will vote the right way,…”
No it is no guarantee, BUT accordingly, if education doesn’t matter; why not let 15 year olds vote? Or children? Or babies? Or illegal immigrants (New York city now is considering a bill to let non-us citizens vote.) Why not let the dead vote as they are anyways in the moral-less North?
The answer is simple. If a person has a certain level of education, they can read and understand politics and what it entails. Can any of the others do that above?
Of course some 15 year *may* qualify, but there is more to consider than education alone. Commonsense, wisdom, morality and living life itself is a moral teacher, and hardly any, if any 15 years has this ability, much less the other groups I listed. Even 25 year olds has a hard time associating and equating those aspects of life when voting. Being *allowed* the privilege to vote is in NO way a Right! You have to earn the privilege to vote, and along with other qualifications makes you a *vested* citizen in the country, meaning you have earned the privilege to have a say in how the country is run.
“…and pretty much everyone votes in their own interest….”
Of course that’s true. That’s Law of Nature and it had been considered in detail when forming the US Constitution. So I ask; what is in your best interest concerning politics? What is in my best interests? And this would actually include the majority of the people. Does anyone have any general idea?
First we must establish what would be the majority of the people. First we would have two extreme sides of society; one being the chronically poor and destitute, the other being the overly rich. Both these sides are so extreme their self-interests would oppose that of the middle.
The poor are poor for many reasons; They may be lazy, they don’t care, they would rather have *fun* while not interested in anything that doesn’t benefit them. Meaning they are also self-centered. OTOH there are some people, though very few that really can’t make it because of health, or mental health. Yet these people are just as self-serving in their interests to a point. Many of which understands that they do not wish to live off others.
And then we have the super rich. They are extremely self-centered, and to the point they wish to rule and control others for their benefit. And they have the money and power to make much of this a reality. As another extreme these people are extremely intelligent and can be very thrifty. Yet it is all in their self-centered attitude and love of money that they would destroy the goose that lays the golden eggs in order to get that last egg! These people are vile and corrupt they never need to be related to anything concerning the voting process. It should be illegal for these people to even associate with any politician!
Second we would have to assign the 3 sides a % of society they would compose. I’ve see various stats and all differ slightly. But from a general and average standpoint we’ll assign the poor as to representing app. ~20% of the population. The super rich would be app. ~4-5% of the population. This leaves about 75% making up the middle class or the average American society.
These people as a whole from a sociological standpoint wishes to live their lives pretty much as you, I and the rest of us Confederates here sees life. Mainly keep the government out of our business and life as much as possible. Yet we are not getting this from government. But we are getting many average Americans voting for government control over our lives; Why? Which is another topic of discussion.
“..Also, politicians give tons and tons of corporate welfare money to companies and whole industries. Poor folks don’t have K Street Lobbyists…”
The above quote actually is in relation to my last question and statement above. It’ll take another topic of discussion to explain but the reasons can be shown as self-evident.
“..Jim Crow laws were aimed specifically at blacks….”
I knew this one was coming! I was laying in ambush for it! Who fits the criteria of the poor extreme above? In reality most blacks do not care about proper government, except what they can get for free. Their voting patterns consistently support this.
It is also true that most blacks does not have enuff education to qualify to vote in maintaining proper government. This is extremely true when one understands that the black society has an average IQ of about 75-80, which is borderline mentally incompetent. (I’d bet you the farm that Obammie’s IQ doesn’t exceed 100. The average IQ for the white population is 100 which is also the standard for the test. The test comes from the WHO and is conducted all over the world.
I am all for letting blacks or anyone in society vote, IF they show they have enuff intelligence and sense to vote. OTOH I can’t help it if one group shows to be less capable than others, which would mean certain laws, IE Jim Crow laws would more adversely affect them. The POINT is in keeping competent controlling the country.
Aristotle himself said that the best government comes form the middle class.
Bet he reads Aristotle all the time.
My favorite line is his “my black friend” passage:
“BTW– Ms [XXXXXX], I was raised in large part by a *colored* man. His mother was a slave, and I was told many stories passed down by her. So I have no specific bone to pick in NOT wanting black people to vote.”
Easily one of the worst things I’ve ever read. Deplorable thoughts from deplorable people. This post will become a motivator as we work to eradicate Connie, M Lamb and the rest of the VA Flaggers in 2014. Thankfully they will eventually hang themselves by their own rope of hate, but we will keep exposing them at every opportunity and hopefully their internet presence will be all but a bad memory by 2015. My New Years resolution is to do my part to erase them and their ignorant influence of racism and sexism from the World Wide Web.
I expect that once more people will inquire what you mean by eradicate and erase. I think it is preferable to expose and then challenge their message. I find the implications of “eradicate” and “erase” suggest behavior I would not endorse.
I simply mean remove their hateful influence via the web.
Thankfully, the Jim Crow laws protected Southern cities for generations from evolving into Third World cesspools like Detroit, Chicago, or Camden.
Unfortunately, the demise of Jim Crow sent cities like Birmingham, Memphis, Jackson and New Orleans into a tailspin. In New Orleans, it took an act of God – Hurricane Katrina, which destroyed the Lower Ninth Ward – to save the city from becoming another Detroit.
I think it might be too late for Birmingham and Philadelphia. New York City under Bill de Blasio also seems determined to return to the glory days of the David Dinkins years.
Brad- if NYC is such a terrible place to live then why does it have one of the highest real estate values in the country and people are scrambling to live there?
Philadelphia is also jumping in property values.
While places like, well, Alabama are still not really going anywhere.
Could it be that maybe people LIKE having diverse cultures that bring a variety of restaurants, art, music and fashion into an area?
You might think your bland world is good for you, but most people want more.
Re: Liberty Lamp
1.) New York City was in a tailspin when David Dinkins was mayor in the early 1990s, but recovered under Guiliani and Bloomberg who led an aggressive crackdown on black crime – De Blasio, the new mayor, has pledged to reverse their successful policies.
2.) New York City has high property values because it has a gentrified, financialized economy which is driven by Wall Street. It is one of the most unequal places in America. The middle class has been abandoning New York City for decades now. That’s one reason why Florida, which doesn’t have a state income tax, is about to become the third biggest state.
3.) Philadelphia has lost a third of its White population since 1990. It is well on the way to becoming the next Detroit.
4.) Aside from Birmingham, which was destroyed by the Civil Rights Movement, Alabama is a Sunbelt state that is doing fine.
Brad- NYC was prime real estate back in the 1990’s, you’re statements are not based in fact, they are based in propaganda put out of the C of CC who lost their minds when Dinkins became mayor.
BTW, I am happy to state that was the last time the C of CC had any influence in the New York area. There are a few lingering morons, but for the most part, their hand in NY politics have been snuffed.
We all know your father in law is Gordon Baum, one of the founders of the Council of Conservative Citizens.
Philadelphia is on a gentrification swing. If you pulled your head out of the racist sewage you could get some facts for once. Philadelphia has become the new edge city for the yuppy crowd (of all races) who works in NYC, still want a city atmosphere but with a more affordable living space.
And who is doing this gentrification? The black community in Philly!
When I was there covering Leif Ericsson Day, it was all fancy coffee shop, and trendy upscale restaurants and retail, barely “Detroit”.
Florida is a dump, it has one of the worst school systems and much of the state poor real estate.
Port Richie is a perfect example of this when years ago there was an attempt to develop the community with nicer homes with in door pools. Of course the project was a flop, and it is one of the nastiest places to live with a horrible school system.
The problem is, Brad, you’re a sheltered moron, you have no idea what the real world is like because you live in a bubble.
Living in a bubble is fine, but don’t try to pretend you know things to people outside the echo-chamber of racists you pal around with, we will smack you around with the facts!
You neglect the issue of White Flight which is one of the major reasons the inner cities began to collapse. You neglect a ton of issues while illustrating one which is really nothing more than a racist concept that ignores all other forms of context. It is amazing what lengths people will go to in order to promote an ideology which is based on race. Then you wonder why the problems never get solved. That is because the real issues are ignored in favor of simplistic ones that only serve to support white supremacy which is an outright lie.
He probably has a black friend, too.
Or knows some blacks whose ancestors fought for the Confederacy. Very, very funny. Thanks for posting.
I would love to take his bet on Obama’s IQ. I would also love to see this guy take an IQ test. Does he not realize that under his plan almost all of the neo-confederates would be eliminated from voting and that the liberal base would form about 75% of the electorate when using education as a voting criteria? The entire post is anti-American. Equality is a founding principle of this country. This guy’s concept would roll back every gain in voting rights since about 1790. He also fails to address what property is. I am willing to bet he would suggest military service would be a qualifier for voting rights in which case I think he should read Heinlein’s Starship Troopers to understand that it still would not make anyone vote “correctly.” They would probably value their vote more, but you can’t make anyone vote correctly because there is no way to judge the correctness of the vote.
What he really wants is one party rule. He should study history to see how well that has worked out. He might as well just become a communist because what he is espousing is a totalitarian form of government that lacks freedom. That is what makes people like him so idiotic. They fail to understand how the limiting of democracy resulted in tyranny in the past. All they want is their version of America to exist and that version is not America in any way, shape, or form.
Could you post a link this discussion?
I could. I won’t.
Its ok Brooks I found it. Curious to why you wouldn’t post a link to it? Your usually fairly forthcoming with such.
No need to feed that monster.
Agree. There is no sense in it. Pure ignorance.
I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
Just wanted to take a moment to thank Brooks for the many interesting posts he has put up this year. Considering his teaching and research loads, I am always amazed that he comes up with such a variety of topics and that he curates discussions. I do some of this for a couple of immigrant blogs and I know the work that must be involved. I appreciate the work and I admire the product.