A Simple Question

Readers of this blog may have noticed recently that we’ve had an influx of white supremacist commenters. It’s always useful to know that such people exist (even if they have to resort to multiple fake screen names in an effort to look more numerous than they are).

In recent years Hunter Wallace/Brad Griffin of the website Occidental Dissent (some of our recent additions claim to be posting from there) sought to distinguish himself and his followers from Connie Chastain and company by saying that Chastain and her followers were “Rainbow Confederates,” advocates of a multicultural and racially diverse Confederate past. Griffin correctly reminds us the white supremacy was the cornerstone of both antebellum white southern society and the Confederacy: on this subject his knowledge of what white southerners said and believed is simply far superior to those he denigrates as “Rainbow Confederates,” because, frankly, they don’t know much about history and are far less skilled at presenting arguments.

I believe Griffin has always had the better of that argument, although I’d add that the incompetency of those Rainbow Confederates with whom he engages offers sufficient evidence to reject the notion of white supremacy.

However, I have always found it difficult to find any meaningful difference between the racial views of Griffin (and his supporters) and Chastain and her ilk. Thus, the simple question: is there any meaningful difference?

Recall, that Chastain does the “heavy hitting” for the Virginia Flaggers, and they have found nothing wrong with her racial attitudes nor those of Griffin and Co. Surely if they did they would hasten to post that disagreement on this blog and elsewhere. Rather, they don’t seem eager to confront Griffin and company. It’s as if they are scared of the result. Oh, Chastain and her ilk will respond to this by attacking me … but they won’t go one-on-one with white supremacists. How could they while they cuddle up to Matthew Heimbach?

Oops ha ha

Yup, that’s the leader of the Virginia Flaggers, Susan Hathaway, marching alongside Matthew Heimbach.

And who can forget Michael Givens posing alongside SCV award-winner Heimbach?

Givens Heimbach 3

Sure … it’s heritage, not hate. Right …

The clock is ticking on those current exchanges in the comments section, and I think the parties involved should prepare final arguments in the very near future, because the blog will move on, leaving them to go elsewhere.

17 thoughts on “A Simple Question

  1. BParks January 14, 2014 / 1:04 pm

    Racism, false history, rejection of multiculturalism and diversity, sexism, homophobia etc. are always wrong no matter who projects these views. That said, I think Chastain and her kind are worse as they ‘pretend’ that they are not ‘who’ they are. The other folks, the ‘open’ white supremacists, no matter how deplorable, are at least honest in that they stand by their convictions and don’t care what other people think. Ms. Connie is a fake, and her attempts to hide her views and perceptions makes her more disgusting. She is…to use a tired phrase, hiding in the closet.

  2. Patrick Young January 14, 2014 / 3:57 pm

    What a wild influx of deranged racists! A note to those who want to argue for the superiority of one race over another: That ship sailed during the Nazi Era. We know that white people, and perhaps people of other races, can murder civilians by the millions, destroy cities, and enslave their fellow men and women.

    Rather than argue over which race is the more depraved, people outside of the Confederate Heritage and White Supremacist constellations are pressing for ways to heal the wounds we have inflicted on one another in the past and working towards a more unified future.

    I don’t know anyone who believes that non-white people are incapable of full civic involvement. I’m guessing that those who feel as some of the more bizarre commenters here do most likely find that their own children are embarrassed when they express their racism openly.

    What I see among my own students is that race is becoming less of an issue as marriage across racial divides becomes common. Today’s racist is most angry not at the black man living next door, but at his own daughter for dating that black man. The racist knows that at some point he will have to abandon his racism or give up contact with his own grandchildren.

    The world the aggressive racist inhabits keeps getting smaller. It may have consisted of whole states in his youth, then it shrank to whites only towns, now it may be limited to the front porch where he sits rocking, his only resource of supremacy being the resentful looks he gives passing African Americans and the Latino men who mow his lawn.

  3. Bob Nelson January 14, 2014 / 5:15 pm

    “Because the blog will move on, leaving them to go elsewhere.” I’ll drink to that!

    • Brooks D. Simpson January 15, 2014 / 1:39 am

      I’m now taking steps in that direction, because in most cases we’ve now gone past the point of diminishing returns.

  4. Carmichael January 14, 2014 / 11:56 pm

    As the United States (or “Upper Mexico” as the Canadians derisively refer to us) heads irresistibly and senselessly toward the grotesque and depraved condition of “cultural diversity”, it is culturally homogeneous China that will emerge as the most powerful and dominant civilization on earth. And as the locust-like influx of lawless and devious hispanic illegal aliens continue to degrade, parasitically, the U.S., much of America will ultimately be reduced to a grotesque, foul, and squalid third-world cesspool like honduras. Conversely, the Chinese and their homogeneous civil society will reach astonishing and awe-inspiring levels of success. “Diversity” is a fraud.

    • Brooks D. Simpson January 15, 2014 / 1:36 am

      And that stands as your final word on the subject. Thank you.

  5. Brad Griffin January 15, 2014 / 4:19 am

    My guess is that Connie knows that it wouldn’t be profitable to raise the subject. She doesn’t want us sifting through those old laws and speeches. The truth is too damaging to the worldview of the “Rainbow Confederates.”

    • Brooks D. Simpson January 15, 2014 / 8:48 am

      I believe we both know that when it comes to views about the present-day world, you two (and, for that matter, most of the Flaggers) aren’t all that far apart. But we also know that the Flaggers and their spokesperson are not very skilled when it comes to presenting a historical argument.

      Of course, I’d distance myself from that collection of heritage clowns, too.

      I don’t think Connie Chastain’s fooling anyone, and she’s fooling herself to think otherwise.

      • Billy Bearden January 15, 2014 / 10:47 am

        She handles my light work

        • Brooks D. Simpson January 15, 2014 / 11:51 am

          Apparently. So tell me … why are you so silent when it comes to certain of the discussions here recently on race? Just curious. And, while we’re at it, why do you think your fellow Flaggers have not looked to disassociate themselves from Heimbach?

          I’m hoping you can bring yourself to answer these questions, instead of resorting to Connie to do your heavy hitting. 🙂

    • Al Mackey January 15, 2014 / 12:25 pm

      According to this post, you’re not actually a member of the Virginia Flaggers yourself. As a resident of Georgia, it seems reasonable to assume that you have not been to every event the Virginia Flaggers held, so you really don’t know whether or not Heimbach has been to other events.

      The Virginia Flaggers themselves claimed Heimbach as a member. They have yet to claim that was done in error. Also, if Heimbach doesn’t represent their views, they can easily put that to rest by issuing a statement to that effect. They haven’t done that, either.

  6. BParks January 15, 2014 / 11:19 am

    Billy-boy, you say “February and March 2012. At that moment in history, the only thing Mr Heimbach had done to my knowledge was to create the Towson University White Student Union, something that was far removed from Georgia and Virginia, and not on my radar.” AND? That doesn’t make it any better. The VA Flaggers have not publicly distanced themselves and other questionable organizations (masking as heritage groups) have presented him with awards. The point is that no one is chastising him, even you in Ms. Connie’s post. Tell us what you REALLY think of the guy and his views. Have the VA Flaggers publicly condemn him and maybe, just maybe, we’ll consider your comment sincere. You should be a politician because you and your peers have mastered the art of speaking while admitting to nothing.

    • Brooks D. Simpson January 15, 2014 / 11:55 am

      I think the Flaggers would rather attack me for pointing out that they don’t attack Heimbach than to confront a white supremacist directly. Then again, the SCV doesn’t seem to have any problems with him either. Michael Givens’ memory loss of knowing him was convenient, even if the record shows otherwise.

      Face it: the Flaggers don’t call out racists. They call out people who call out racists.

  7. BParks January 15, 2014 / 12:16 pm

    Good point Brooks. How ironic as these people are quite ‘diverse’ themselves: Connie, Billy-boy, Mike Lamb, John Hall, Carl ‘Perv,’ Johnny Unrecon and the whole Backsass ‘Klan’ over there are great reps of the VA Flagger-types: disingenuous, tolerant of hate, cowards who are too afraid to confront their own, and the first to refute the truth no matter how much evidence is presented otherwise. I don’t think we will ever have to worry about the South Rising Again thanks to this ‘brain-trust.’ Their mascot should be that kid in Polar Express who got caught putting gum in his sister’s hair = “I didn’t do it…I didn’t do it…” Ha!

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