Remember … It’s Hate, Not Heritage (Redux)

Apparently the news that there’s going to be an integrated prom has upset some people, including John C. Hall, Jr., and his soul mate, Pat Hines.

Hall and Hines on Proms

It got uglier with others.

We await the usual defense of such expressions from those so-called defenders of Confederate heritage who have rallied behind these two before … especially now that one of them has a new computer.

UPDATE: Her response? “Ho hum.” Well, that’s how one Confederate heritage blogger might put it. In truth, she also declares:

Sooooo, the recent furor in the floggosphere about it is just much ado about little, or nothing. They only showcased it to indulge in the misleading flogger practice of finding negative comments made by one, two or an handful of people and then attempting to smear the Virginia Flaggers, the SHPG, the SCV, the UDC, the Southern heritage community and the entire white South with it.

Note that none of these groups was mentioned in my post. Note also that she shows no objection to the comments made. Of course, you know why that is. Of course you do. That’s right. Absolutely.

16 thoughts on “Remember … It’s Hate, Not Heritage (Redux)

  1. Bob Nelson April 10, 2014 / 3:56 pm

    Do you mean to tell me that segregated proms in the South are still the order of the day in some places? My God. Where have we come to since the 1960s? This is just appalling.

  2. jfepperson April 10, 2014 / 4:06 pm

    The sad thing is, the comments are not unexpected.

  3. Al Mackey April 10, 2014 / 4:37 pm

    Reblogged this on Student of the American Civil War and commented:
    If I’m not mistaken, Mr. John C. Hall has a close affiliation with the Virginia Flaggers, having been credited with helping to found the organization. This is yet another tie the flaggers have to racism. Susan Hathaway has her work cut out for her to try to distance the group from racists. She really needs to get busy on that.

    • Rob Baker April 10, 2014 / 9:03 pm

      She’s too busy throwing up flags on highways, which amplifies the flag’s racist symbolism.

  4. pam April 10, 2014 / 5:04 pm

    love to see these guys DNA

  5. jfepperson April 10, 2014 / 7:13 pm

    I recall Pat Hines from AWCU—He hid his blatant racism well, but he was still a jerk.

  6. Betty Giragosian April 10, 2014 / 7:46 pm

    OMG–this is awful. We have had integrated proms in Virginia–I believe since the end of segregation. These guys are in the minority. They are an embarrassment.

    • Brooks D. Simpson April 11, 2014 / 5:25 pm

      We agree that they are not representative of people who believe in remembering Confederate heritage. However, judging from the lack of outrage about these comments in certain corners, we can also say that the people I have in mind are not outraged by these comments. And, as they say that they are representative of Confederate heritage (without that much contradiction from many people), well, you know how it goes.

  7. khepera420 April 10, 2014 / 10:24 pm

    Despite the protestations of so many, possibly well-meaning advocates, THIS is the face that so-called Confederate heritage presents to the world. And they wonder why black people hate that flag and everything it stands for.

    • Bob Nelson April 11, 2014 / 7:47 am

      Bingo!!! If Southerners are unhappy that a vast majority of Americans, black and white, see the CBF only as a symbol of racial intolerance, hatred and bigotry, they have nobody to blame but themselves. I doubt that those who defiantly waved it during the Civil Rights’ era could have imagined the backlash that would be unleashed years later. As the saying goes, “You reap what you sow.” And yet the flaggers continue to do the same thing today. IMO they are misguided. If you all want Americans to see the CBF as a symbol of heritage, then you need to start treating it as such and shoving it in people’s faces just ain’t the way to accomplish that.

      Could something have been done back in the 50s or 60s? I think the answer is yes. If the S.C.V., the KKK and state governments had established guidelines of how/where/when the CBF could/should be displayed/used back then, things might be different today. But it’s too late now.

  8. Christopher Shelley April 10, 2014 / 11:03 pm

    And yet, it is perversely refreshing to me to hear these racists be open about their racism. I need a screen-shot of this so I can pass it along as needed.

  9. Betty Giragosian April 11, 2014 / 1:58 am

    I might add, all my life I have lived in rural Hanover County. When integration came. as I recall, there was no racial rouble. Most of the African American kids’ families had lived in the county for generations. The students became friends easily. My boys were in elementary and high school, so my husband I were very much aware of what went on. Hanover was blessed to have good leadership. Actually, we felt a wrong had been righted. Separate but equal was but a fantasy.

  10. Bert April 11, 2014 / 10:31 am

    Hey! What if the young gentleman in the photo was the GGGGG-grandson of one of the black confederates who fought bravely under the CBF?

    I find it equally disturbing that such a racially segregated event was still going on somewhere in GA up until this recently.

    • Noma April 11, 2014 / 1:07 pm

      Great point!

  11. Brooks D. Simpson April 11, 2014 / 5:22 pm

    I note that David Grove, who makes it a practice of posting my material on his FB site, Dixie Talk and News (the old Backsass! FB group) declined to post this one. Guess the truth hurts.

  12. Kristilyn Baldwin April 14, 2014 / 3:33 am

    First, I can’t believe segregated proms still exist. Second, I can’t believe these “Confederate Heritage” racists exist! Seriously, how does this still exist?! How do they not realize how ridiculous they are? And they claim the rest of the world is brainwashed. “Hello, Pot? This is Kettle.”

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