Protecting General Lee

This word comes from Washington and Lee University:

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Brandon Dorsey of the SCV offers this response:

Dorsey Whines

Ah, yes … when I think of Confederate heritage advocates my first thought is to compare them to the advocates of the Civil Rights movement.

Don’t you see how this …

… is just like this?

Jennings Flags WLU

Or that this …

is just like this?

Oops ha ha

Or that this …

… is just like this?

Sure you do.


15 thoughts on “Protecting General Lee

  1. Jeffry Burden July 24, 2014 / 2:44 pm

    It’s like history is re-playing itself. God bless those plucky Flaggers.

  2. Spelunker July 24, 2014 / 2:58 pm

    Billy Bearden “I call them out. If there is a viable, traceable threat, then have the guilty arrested, and show their face and name on all media outlets. Otherwise it is just slander and innuendo against the Sons of Confederate Veterans, and yet another episode of Mayor Mimi Elrod’s leftist hype where she had Va State Police SWAT units pointing rifles at peaceful people in Hopkins Green on September 1st, 2011”

    It’s going to be an interesting weekend, to say the least.


    • Jimmy Dick July 24, 2014 / 3:41 pm

      Stick Bearden’s face all over the news then. “This is the face of ignorance. It flies a CBF, doesn’t know its history, and makes up things to suit its beliefs.”

  3. Sandi Saunders July 24, 2014 / 3:41 pm

    The very idea that theirs is a “civil rights movement” is offensive, contrived and further demeans the South they claim to honor. I am so ashamed of people like this and yes, I believe that the school has received both threats and deviant insult from those claiming “heritage not hate” BS. They do it on the blogs all the time. Flaggers taint the South just like Jim Crow did.

  4. guillermo July 24, 2014 / 4:32 pm

    I have been reading your blog the last couple of days, while i agree in some things, i think this one is different, this goes beyond the flaggers or the SCV. the 136 comments in Lee’s chapel facebook page shows there is concern from many that are not related to these groups, me included.
    The comparison with the civil rights movement may be going too far but i found the wording of the reasons for the closing of the chapel unnecessary and unfortunate, it only fueled the fire.
    Any threats should be reported to the proper authorities and handled with the appropriate punishment, but to generalize all the protesters is a think of bad judgment even if you believe it to be true, im sure many just want to peacefully have their voices heard, either on facebook or near the university.

    • Brooks D. Simpson July 24, 2014 / 5:46 pm

      No one is generalizing about “all protesters.” Brandon Dorsey of Virginia’s SCV’s statement speaks for itself. Protesters who don’t want to be linked to such extreme statements and who think them counterproductive might ponder talking to the people who make those statements instead of complaining about the reaction of WLU to such statements.

      • guillermo July 24, 2014 / 6:10 pm

        Thanks for the answer, i dont know much about the beliefs of Mr. Dorsey, but besides him making a weird comparison i dont read anything about harming the chapel or the staff. As for the protesters, i think its too much to ask of them to know every person that attends the rally and the motives that motivates them. I know that i dont want my name attached with the likes of the LOS or any group that practices racism, and other protesters may feel the same. I do feel the chapel’s post about closing because a violent rally does generalize all protesters and only fuels the fire of those attending. A statement saying that the chapel would be close because of the protest would had been enough.

        • Brooks D. Simpson July 24, 2014 / 7:52 pm

          Fair enough. As I’ve suggested before, people who support Confederate heritage but reject the beliefs of extreme groups or the childish antics of other groups might worry more about those groups and the impact upon the reputation of Confederate heritage groups rather than complain about WLU’s response … just as those extreme groups and their comic counterparts don’t show a great deal of concern when white suprmacist groups and other extremists wave Confederate flags. It reminds me of the outcries of anguish about drawing attention to a recent kidnapping by someone associated with one of those groups instead of making sure that the child in question is safe.

          But everyone has their own priorities.

          • guillermo July 24, 2014 / 9:26 pm

            Agree, good to have a nice chat where it goes beyond the usual name calling. As to the questions about how to support confederate heritage while rejecting extreme groups im afraid its not something i have much control over, as a single individual with no affiliation to any heritage group the only thing im in position to do is learn how to separate the flag from extremes views, and to recognize that the flag is not to blame for the acts of a few.
            About Lee’s chapel i already made my complains known to and the reason why i think the flags should stay or at the very least be displayed inside the chamber on key historical dates to the proper authorities and in the comments section on facebook, but that is a subject for another conversation.
            I hope you can understand my point and where im coming from

          • Brooks D. Simpson July 24, 2014 / 9:34 pm

            You’ll recall that I have not advocated the removal of the flags, and the idea that they might be displayed on certain appropriate occasions strikes me as reasonable.

            Indeed, the SCV may have sensed that Brandon Dorsey’s a loose cannon on this issue, judging from this announcement. Ben Jones is simply a lot smarter than Mr. Dorsey.

            Some folks tend to portray the people they identify as their foes as holding extreme views on a number of matters, including the display of various Confederate flags. The Virginia Flaggers and their supporters attempt to do this a great deal when they attack me. It’s my view that if I truly despised Confederate heritage, I’d claim that they were representative of the entire base of support of the movement, instead of the particularly ludicrous group they truly are. Putting Jones in charge of heritage defense suggests that the SCV leadership no longer wants to have Brandon Dorsey as the face of Confederate heritage in Lexington, and that’s a good thing.

  5. Brooks D. Simpson July 24, 2014 / 9:13 pm

    Or in the words of Carl Roden: “There is no need to use analogies in our case, our own civil rights fight will have its own heroes and figures that future generations will come to know, not only as defenders of Dixie, but as saviors of the true ideal of inclusion and diversity …”

    Like this.

  6. msb July 25, 2014 / 12:15 am

    I don’t why Dorsey’s statement should surprise me, except I’ve rarely seen cognitive dissonance stray so far into sheer hubris.

    • Andy Hall July 25, 2014 / 7:28 am

      Dorsey has a history of comparing perceived sleights to the SCV to racial segregation in the Jim Crow era.

  7. Spelunker July 25, 2014 / 4:32 am

    Wow, the similarities are endless! Hahahaha.

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