20 thoughts on “The League of the South and the Sons of Confederate Veterans: A Poll

  1. Hunter Wallace August 20, 2014 / 7:46 am

    The SCV is narrowly focused on Southern heritage as it relates to the Confederacy while the League takes a much broader view that encompasses the entire past, present, and future of the Southern people. The SCV is more interested in honoring soldiers who fought in the war while the League takes a greater interest in our ethnic origins.

      • Hunter Wallace August 21, 2014 / 8:20 am

        The traditional White population of the South, which is drawn heavily from the British Isles, but also to a lesser degree from other European countries such as Germany and France.

        • Thelibertylamp August 21, 2014 / 2:53 pm

          because only white people are southern?

  2. Sandi Saunders August 20, 2014 / 9:02 am

    The SCV has a hard time admitting the racism of 1860 or that it had any bearing on the Civil War; no way on earth will they ever admit the racism of today has any bearing on their efforts. But lacking in numbers, they do not protest the LOS and other race dividing, anti-government, secesh flaggers at their public events.

    • Spelunker August 20, 2014 / 9:52 am

      No they do not, which is a tacit admission of acceptance of the Secesshers as best I can tell. Ben Jones has been very, very quiet. Mute and blind I suppose.

      Whatever you think about Brad’s beliefs, he’s been quite honest lately about certain things (not all) and I can respect that even if I don’t buy into his worldview.

    • Fergus August 20, 2014 / 3:57 pm

      You do not know what you are talking about they have thirty thousand members. Have you read the Lincoln Douglas debates? They were all white supremacists back then or 99% of them.
      They were all racists when they went to war with Mexico too, North and South. Sherman and Grant were anti Semites, and certainly not believers in negro equality it was 1860.
      Some of my ancestors were slaves of the Randolph’s when they manumitted them they gave them land in Ohio, They were quickly driven off that land by white Ohio settlers. They then went to Illinois but not allowed to stay in Illinois and ended up in Canada. Many Canadians had a certain sympathy toward your rebels given from our perspective you were Rebels in 1776 and traitors, so why should you not let the South leave?

      • Melissa Blue August 21, 2014 / 3:08 pm

        Excellent post. Very insightful.

  3. Andrew Raker August 20, 2014 / 11:34 am

    While I’ll give the LOS credit for being honest about the origins of the war, I’ll also give the SCV credit for recognizing that not all Southerners, nor all Confederates, are/were white. Now, that is said with two big caveats – the Rainbow Confederates overstate this, and the SCV can still substitute “Confederate” for “Confederate”, but at least the SCV seems willing to deal with the fact that non-whites fought for the CSA. The LOS downplays the diversity of southerners who supported the Confederacy, in part because the diversity of the Confederate coalition doesn’t fit in with the views of some of their members on Jews, Roman Catholics, and Indians.

    Both camps share in common their desire to make the Confederacy look more like what they want the South to look like today, but that’s taken in different directions.

  4. Melissa Blue August 20, 2014 / 1:46 pm

    The League of the South seems to be modeling itself, in theory, on the Israeli model. The LoS, evidently, would like to establish a nation-state based on common ethnic and religious characteristics.The LoS seems to think if Israel is entitled to establish such a nation-state, they are too.

    • Brooks D. Simpson August 20, 2014 / 2:23 pm

      I see. But, given your willingness to criticize other people about their understanding of the Confederacy and racism, why do you seem hesitant to subject their understanding of the Confederacy to the same sort of scrutiny?

      • Melissa Blue August 21, 2014 / 12:43 pm

        I think you misunderstand. I criticize only when criticized. I genrally have no objection to people organizing their communities in ways that suit them best. If, for example, as in the case of Israel, the Hebrew population is more comfortable and happier in a civil society populated by Hebrews, I have no criticism to make. And if, for example, African-Americans are more comfortable attending black Universities, I have no objection. And if white Christains feel similar, I have no objection to that either.

        • Brooks D. Simpson August 21, 2014 / 12:58 pm

          Are you uncomfortable with black students at an integrated university petitioning the university administration concerning the institution’s history?

          • Melissa Blue August 21, 2014 / 1:17 pm

            Do you mean, for example, African-American students at Brown University, in Rhode Island, petitioning for a name change because that University bears the name of a family that funded the University with profits from the brutal and sadistic international slave-trade? No, I have no objection to that whatsoever.

          • Brooks D. Simpson August 21, 2014 / 1:18 pm

            Good. Then you have no problem with what is happening at Washington and Lee.

          • Melissa Blue August 21, 2014 / 1:24 pm

            Of the two, Brown Univeristy’s connection to slave-trafficking is far more nefarious. That’s where the protests should be happening.

          • Brooks D. Simpson August 21, 2014 / 1:31 pm

            That’s your opinion. I see no reason to choose. Both fall under your approval. Thanks for your support of The Committee.

          • Melissa Blue August 21, 2014 / 1:35 pm

            No problem. And thanks for recognizing the inherent evil in Brown University.

          • Brooks D. Simpson August 21, 2014 / 1:37 pm

            I think Brown University should be transparent about its past. Don’t you? Oh, wait … you don’t post under your own name, so “transparency” is an issue with you.

            Never mind.

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