A Mixed Message? Or a Muddled One?

10687166_984356634924184_7682380790675437760_nYou tell me.

Seems to me that in this case the confusion’s by design as a way to “spark discussion.” That means people are free to make of it what they will … just as they will make what they will of other displays of the Confederate Battle Flag along highways.

Sometimes if you want to send a message you first have to figure out how to communicate your intent. Otherwise, don’t be surprised if other people can’t figure out what you want to say … or offer different meanings.


62 thoughts on “A Mixed Message? Or a Muddled One?

  1. Jessie Alan Sanford September 29, 2014 / 3:22 pm

    Its very obvious what these folks from California want to do, create racial unrest in Mississippi by using a civil rights slogan and tying it to the CBF was my first thought. Then I thought maybe they just like the publicity.As you said ” don’t be surprised if other people can’t figure out what you want to say … or offer different meanings.”

  2. Hunter Wallace September 29, 2014 / 3:29 pm

    I hope the billboard sparks a discussion about how Jackson was turned into a dump by the Civil Rights Movement.

    • Goad Gatsby September 30, 2014 / 2:27 pm

      Sometimes I am still surprised that dinosaurs like you still exist.

  3. Tony September 30, 2014 / 5:53 am

    Jackson is not a complete dump. Downtown and Fondren have made huge strides in the past 10 years. Belhaven is a beautiful old neighborhood.

    Pretty much every urban area in Mississippi is doomed to rot from the inside out because of the local tax structure. The Mississippi Constitution, IIRC, strips municipalities from controlling their sales tax rates, which means that all infrastructure is supported by property taxes. The property tax burden pushes people to move outside the city limits, where they can leech off the municipal facilities and infrastructure without actually paying a dime to support it.

    Give it another 50 years, Madison will be a rotting shell, and all the nouveau rich will be living in freaking Gluckstadt.

  4. Hunter Wallace September 30, 2014 / 10:48 am

    Haha, yeah right.

    We hear the same thing in Montgomery and Birmingham which have been wrecked by the same force. See also St. Louis and Memphis.

    • Spelunker September 30, 2014 / 12:43 pm

      Mad Brad, why don’t you tell everyone your pet name for this “force” you speak of. You know the one, right? Brad seems to think this “force” is descendant from Rosa Parks and the Freedom Riders.

      • Brad Griffin September 30, 2014 / 6:41 pm

        Last time I checked, I do all the time on my own blog.

    • Jimmy Dick September 30, 2014 / 6:00 pm

      Try again with St. Louis. You obviously don’t know what you are talking about.

      • Brad Griffin September 30, 2014 / 6:55 pm

        My wife is from St. Louis which is the home of “Knockout King” and the Pruitt-Iago housing projects. When we were driving through Birmingham recently, we saw some blighted rowhouses tagged with graffiti, and I looked over my shoulder at her, grinned, and asked her if it reminded her of home.

        Back in April, I actually stopped for gas at that QT that was destroyed by the mob in Ferguson in North County. I brought that up in my review of Paul Kersey’s Baltimore book several months before Michael Brown was shot in Ferguson. I said that the locals who I saw at that gas station were even more menacing than the ones who I am used to in Birmingham and Montgomery.

        There’s a documentary playing in the St. Louis area right now called “Spanish Lake” which is about the “force” that I mentioned above. Have you seen it?

        • Jimmy Dick September 30, 2014 / 11:12 pm

          Like I said, you don’t know St. Louis very well. You obviously do not know the Ferguson story well at all. But I’m not surprised at that. You only use what you want for your racist garbage. There are plenty of people who want to believe your trash, but they’re not that intelligent. Fortunately, I have more intelligent kids in my classes and together we are making a difference for the better.

          • Spelunker October 1, 2014 / 5:24 am

            Yes, Brad learned all about life in the inner city when they were “driving through”. It was just enough time to survey the mess his ancestors helped create.

          • Brad Griffin October 1, 2014 / 12:59 pm

            I’m not from St. Louis, but my father-in-law grew up in North County in Normandy, and my wife grew up in Bridgeton.

            St. Louis and its suburbs in North County – places like Ferguson, Normandy, Spanish Lake, Bridgeton, Florissant, etc – used to be a great place to live. In fact, Normandy used have one of the best high schools in Missouri when my father-in-law went there several decades ago.

            There’s a reason why St. Charles County and West St. Louis County are fine and still a great place to live, and Ferguson is now, well, Ferguson. It has nothing whatsoever to do with my “ancestors.”

            As recently as 1990, Ferguson was a nice place to live. The place has rapidly gone downhill within the span of my lifetime. What happened to North County in St. Louis is just another version of Pruitt-Igoe on a larger scale.


          • Jimmy Dick October 1, 2014 / 5:14 pm

            Left out the part about White Flight didn’t you? What about the housing discrimination by the whites against the blacks? Same thing with jobs? See, there is this thing called truth. When you use facts you find it. When you want to present a lie to support a racist ideology you conveniently leave out facts that mess up your beliefs. That is why no one takes you seriously. You are a racist liar.

          • Brad Griffin October 1, 2014 / 8:41 pm

            Here’s the truth:

            1.) First, White people in St. Louis and elsewhere flee from the deplorable living conditions created by the Black Undertow. A short list of the symptoms would include violent crime, gangs, poverty, failing schools, blighted neighborhoods, low property value, business flight, unemployment, the collapse of the tax base, decline in the quality of public services, and corruption and incompetence in government, etc. It’s not “racist’ to desire escape from those conditions … black people, too, don’t want to live there for the same reasons.

            As I said above, Ferguson and other suburbs in North County were doing fine until a few decades ago. Ferguson and Bridgeton were nice places to live until around 1990. There was nothing wrong with those areas until St. Louis began to demolish its public housing projects after the epochal “progressive” failure that was the Pruit Igoe housing project and HUD began to resettle the people who used to live there in places like Spanish Lake and Ferguson.

            The blacks who used to live in the slums in St. Louis recreated those conditions in Pruitt Igoe and other public housing projects. After public housing failed, they were resettled in their present environment in the former White suburbs, which they quickly destroyed in the same fashion.

            2.) Second, my wife’s family has some experience with White flight. They moved to St. Charles from North County after a black-on-black shooting transpired one day in their backyard. That was the final straw – one of the many wonders which can be attributed to “civil rights” – which caused them to pull up the stakes and move across the Missouri River. Housing integration meant having to raise their kids with bullets whizzing through their backyard.

            3.) Third, Jim Crow hasn’t existed in Missouri in over fifty years now. Housing discrimination is illegal under the Civil Rights Act of 1968. Restrictive covenants were banned by Shelley v. Kraemer in 1948.

            Here’s another potential field trip for your history class: take them to 4600 Labadie Avenue in St. Louis to check out the Shelley House and the surrounding neighborhood over 50 years after the Shelley decision. There’s this thing called truth, and the truth is, Whites are no longer allowed to “discriminate” against blacks to protect their property value, and a casual drive through that area will reveal that it conquered by the Undertow a long time ago.

          • Jimmy Dick October 2, 2014 / 7:35 am

            Again, you deliberately lie and mangle facts. I expect nothing less from a racist. White Flight created the problems. The black undertow is a racist concept constructed by people like yourself. That is why you don’t teach in college.

          • Brad Griffin October 1, 2014 / 1:15 pm

            When I was in Little Rock, I took some League members on a tour of the neighborhood that surrounds Central High School, which is now a National Historic Site, to see the legacy of the Little Rock Nine.

            Perhaps you can show the video we made to the intelligent students in your history class? This is what fifty years of integration and spending over a billion dollars trying to achieve racial equality has accomplished:

          • Jimmy Dick October 1, 2014 / 5:11 pm

            Why would I waste my time showing your propaganda which was made to suit your beliefs? There is this thing called context which you do not bother with and that shows your ideology to be based on racism.

          • Brad Griffin October 1, 2014 / 8:50 pm

            Don’t take my word for it.

            HBO has a 2007 documentary called “Little Rock Central: 50 Years Later” which investigates the consequences of the triumph of the Civil Rights Movement in Little Rock. That will more than suffice.

            Why don’t you show it to the intelligent students in your history class? In the documentary, you can see exactly the same sort of “progress” that you see in my video above, but with greater context. For example, the documentary confirms that the dozens of crosses we saw down the street from Central High is a makeshift memorial to black-on-black shootings.

          • Jimmy Dick October 2, 2014 / 7:36 am

            Keep leaving out context. Keep leaving out the racial discrimination by people like yourself that contribute to the problem.

          • John Foskett October 2, 2014 / 9:13 am

            You mean those halcyon days when them black folks “knew their place”? I wasn’t aware that Bull Connor’s Birmingham made Money Magazine’s 10 Best Places to Live (aside from the occasional church bombing and the nuisance fire hoses and dogs taking over the streets).

          • Christopher Shelley October 2, 2014 / 6:22 pm

            Yeah right–and the hundreds of years of race-based terrorism, and 150 years of systematic, institutional racism have nothing to do with it. Please–just quit embarrassing yourself.

          • Hunter Wallace October 2, 2014 / 10:36 pm

            1.) The only race-based terrorism going on in Little Rock is black-on-black crime.

            2.) The neighborhood around Central High School was a great place to live under Jim Crow which hasn’t existed in fifty years.

            We live under institutional anti-racism – the Shelley decision, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Fair Housing Act of 1968. Try again … “duhscrimination” obviously hasn’t kept blacks out of that neighborhood, which they now completely dominate.

          • Christopher Shelley October 2, 2014 / 11:53 pm

            This is the reason I don’t argue with racists. You are incapable of understanding history.

  5. neukomment October 1, 2014 / 12:45 pm

    Here is a little historical perspective based on all the verses of the song alluded to by the billboard….

  6. Buck Buchanan October 1, 2014 / 1:22 pm

    Wow. Just wow.

    Because we all know that life was so good prior to the Civil Rights act when everyone knew their place.

  7. Dan Weinfeld October 2, 2014 / 8:00 am

    Brad seems to forget that the urban decline he witnesses coincides with the disappearance of thousands of well paying, secure, unionized jobs in those same areas. Are Civil Righs to blame for the decline of American industry and the subsequent devastation of the American blue collar workforce? I think Brad is confusing symptoms for the disease.

    • Breck O'Donnell October 2, 2014 / 9:11 am

      Somehow I suspect Brad didn’t arrive at his conclusion by looking at the urban decline, examining the potential causes, identifying civil rights as the main one based on the evidence, and consequently deciding civil rights and progress is bad, and thus everything was better before civil rights. He started with the conclusion and everything is just a contrivance to make the facts appear to fit it. He didn’t reason his way to that conclusion, so I doubt he can be reasoned out of it. Racism is not based on rationality.

      • Hunter Wallace October 2, 2014 / 3:18 pm

        Just the opposite is true.

        My worldview is based on observation. I look at great cities like Birmingham and Detroit, or small towns like Selma and Tuskegee, or suburbs like Ferguson and Spanish Lake, and see them now lying in shambles after what you people describe as “progress.”

        I don’t believe in racial equality because there is no evidence it exists. The federal government integrated Central High School in Little Rock, spent over a billion dollars there, and the racial gap never went away. It never went away in any other school district that I know of either. If integration was supposed to bring about racial equality, it clearly failed to do so.

        Housing integration turned that neighborhood around Central High, which used to be the pride of Little Rock, into a blighted ghetto devastated by violent crime. And it did the same thing to the neighborhood around the Shelley House in St. Louis and countless other places like the southside of Chicago.

        It’s your worldview that it is unfounded and irrational, which is why you can’t defend it on its own merits. If your worldview had any basis in truth, then all the predictions of the integrationists would have come true a long time ago.

        It’s easier to transmute lead into gold than to demonstrate racial equality under experimental conditions. Bigfoot, which has been observed on camera, is more plausible than racial equality.

        • Jimmy Dick October 2, 2014 / 4:12 pm

          Hard to see what you refuse to accept. You don’t believe in a lot of things, but then I don’t care what you like or don’t like. You are nothing more than a pissant today. The American people are leaving pissant racists like you behind in the dirt. The only people that listen to you are your own fellow pissants. You keep forgetting the part where scumbags like you keep working to prevent racial integration because you don’t want it.

          I can attest from personal experience in my half century of life that racial integration has gotten better. The only thing you can do is whine and moan about it while lying your ass off. Your worldview is your own personal toilet.

          • Hunter Wallace October 2, 2014 / 10:47 pm

            Central High School in Little Rock was integrated 57 years ago now.

            Blacks have been in that high school for decades now. Over a billion dollars has been spent just there trying to achieve racial equality. A corp of well meaning liberal pedagogues tries year in and year out to achieve racial equality.

            Quit blaming others. It’s not like I am standing in the schoolhouse door so much as laughing at how you people got your way and your theories were tried in practice and were proven completely unfounded. The great experiment was a failure.

            Why do you keep calling me names? Your real problem is reality itself. Racial equality doesn’t exist anymore than the Loch Ness Monster and it doesn’t matter how hysterically you condemn racism, how much money is squandered on it, or how much time passes, your worldview is based on a falsehood, and that will continue to frustrate you.

          • Jimmy Dick October 3, 2014 / 7:50 am

            Yeah right. Keep on lying to yourself and the rest of the jackasses in the echo chamber. The facts prove you wrong. You just don’t use them when creating your racist world view.
            All you can do is whine and moan as we continue on making the world a better place while your kind scuttles about like cockroaches.

          • Brad Griffin October 3, 2014 / 9:50 am

            If the facts prove me wrong, you would have cited them by now. All you would have to do is show us a demonstration of racial equality, say, a school district, that would validate your high opinion of the capabilities of blacks.

            Instead, it is always personal insults with you. Why is that? I say it is a reflection of the hand you are holding. You can’t persuade anyone that racial equality exists on the basis of the evidence for it. How else can you defend something that is so manifestly untrue except by saying that skeptics of your faith are horribly immoral people?

          • Jimmy Dick October 3, 2014 / 12:00 pm

            Why bother to cite facts? You don’t pay any attention to them as you build up your lies. There are schools all across this country that do a fine job of integrating. You just refuse to believe it because your view is that it is wrong. The American people reject you and your lies and your views.
            By the way, there is no room for you in Christ’s kingdom. You will not be going there. You and the rest of your white supremacists serve one master, the prince of lies.

          • Hunter Wallace October 4, 2014 / 12:58 am

            1.) Jesus Christ had nothing to say about “racism” or even slavery. Is the Apostle Paul in hell for telling slaves to obey their masters?

            2.) Name one of these schools where racial equality has been demonstrated.

            3.) Again, if the facts were on your side, you would cite them, but since your argument is so baseless, you rely upon ad hominem to make your point.

        • Spelunker October 3, 2014 / 3:10 am

          One thing racists like to do is to point to easy but unimportant facts as their “proof”. For example, inequality. A favorite tactic of racists is to juxtapose a Wjhite and a Black and say something stupid like, “Their IQ’s aren’t equal therefore inequality doesn’t exist”. Equality was and always has been about different people having the same rights under the law, not about looking, acting, or physically being the same. For example, why should a gay person not be afforded the same legal rights as a straight person? How are they equal if not treated equally? Don’t even use that old tired excuse about religion. Religion is not accepted by everyone either at all or the same denomination. There’s much talk in the South especially about Yankees forcing their lifestyle upon Southrons. What a hoot. Show me one single straight person who as a result of gay marriage cannot marry a person of their liking. Just one. Show me just one example of the sanctity of marriage being destroyed because two people who love each other are now able to have the same legal rights that you do. No one straight in the South has ever been harmed or their own lifestyle changed in any way because of two gay people being allowed to marry. It changes nothing for straight people. Equality is an idea. Equality is about making one another equal under the law, not about them living or acting the same way. Brad is an admitted racist and White Supremacist. He is highly unlikely to ever think differently than he does now because it’s all he knows. Brad does not know what the words empathy and compassion mean. Brad speaks as an expert of all of the causes of the ills of the blight of the inner city, though anyone with half an ounce of common sense knows that Brad doesn’t know anything about what causes that blight. Is there anyone that thinks that Brad has ever spent any time in the inner city? So why would anyone believe he has any idea about what causes the current condition of many inner cities? Brad is a classic case of tons of book smarts and zero common sense. I’ll take a Doctorate in common sense any day.

          • Brad Griffin October 3, 2014 / 11:08 am

            1.) First, homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals, which is to marry one person who is an adult of the opposite sex. Naturally, homosexuals resent this and are carrying the banner of “equal rights” to overthrow the traditional definition of marriage, and so are the pedophiles, polygamists, and polyamorists who are demanding “fairness” under liberalism, too.

            2.) Second, Yankees have a long history of using the power of the central government to impose social revolution on the South and other countries. There’s the example of abolitionism which everyone here is familiar with. There’s also civil rights, women’s rights, open borders, miscegenation, abortion, and now “gay marriage.” As long as the Union exists, we can expect Yankees to use force to impose each and every new innovation they come up with on the South. These people simultaneously cry “bigotry,” but oddly enough cannot tolerate the existence of any point of view other than their own. The trouble they cause here has been globalized now that Yankees routinely attack foreign countries to violently impose their own point of view on them.

            3.) Third, why don’t you elaborate for us on this “common sense”? By characterizing the issue as a problem of “inner cities,” you obviously don’t know what you are talking about.

            Here’s a hint: Ferguson, for example, is a St. Louis suburb. It is not part of the “inner city.” The same is true of Clayton County in Metro Atlanta. There are plenty of “inner cities” which don’t have this problem (i.e., they are non-black) as well as “inner cities” which have bounced back due to gentrification. There are small towns like Selma and Tuskegee which have been ruined just as badly as Detroit and they are not “inner cities.”

            4.) Finally, “equality” is an idea all right … it is an idea that is unable to coexist with any other idea, whether it is “freedom,” which is the other pillar of liberalism (i.e., “civil rights” means restricting the freedom of some groups in order to advance equality for other groups), or some other source of social order like Christian morality which holds that homosexuality is a vicious behavior.

            Equality is unable to coexist with nationalism, but that’s just the start of why “equality” is problematic and should be rejected as the basis of our social order. Equality cannot coexist with truth either … nature generates nothing but inequality, and so egalitarian societies, whether it is Jacobin France or Soviet Russia or the modern USA, will always be at war with reality. In egalitarian societies, truth will be forced to conform to equality too.

            But that’s not even the worst of why equality is a bad idea. Egalitarianism will always be at war with reality. Egalitarians cannot accept the reality of inequality which is why someone will always be to BLAME for it. Someone is always the VILLAIN that is holding back the realization of equality.

            In the USA, the VILLAIN is White people, Christians, and White Christian Southern conservatives in particular. If blacks are unable to achieve equality, it must be because these VILLAINS are holding them back, and so “social justice” will require punishing that group, even eradicating it. Nevermind the fact that equality doesn’t exist in Massachusetts or Vermont anymore than it does here.

            Equality always involves punishing some other group because it is ultimately driven by the vices of envy and wrath. In Jacobin France, it was aristocrats. In Soviet Russia, it was the kulaks. In Haiti, it was White people. In the USA, it means Whites are going to be held down to the standard of civilization that black people are capable of achieving.

            A good absurd example of this is the latest crusade for “social justice” in Silicon Valley. There are not enough black people in Big Tech. It must be “institutional racism” and oppression at work!

          • Christopher Shelley October 3, 2014 / 9:08 pm

            Jesus–are you guys really going to seriously expend energy on someone who earnestly uses the term “miscegenation” in sentence? These are minutes of your life you will never get back! Except for outright mocking, can’t we move on to something more intelligent…like Sarah Palin’s family brawl?

          • Spelunker October 4, 2014 / 12:09 pm

            “Yankees have a long history of using the power of the central government to impose social revolution on the South and other countries.”

            As proof of how delusional Brad is, he refers to the South as a “Country”. LULZ!

            Why would anyone listen to anything this non-intellectual, intellectual has to say about anything? He has nothing but a track record of failure and train wreckage behind him.

            “First, homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals, which is to marry one person who is an adult of the opposite sex.”

            No. Not equal. Try again. They are not attracted to those of the opposite sex. Brad is on here talking about “imposing” while telling Gays who they can and can’t marry? What the what? He did not even touch my point about how his marriage to Renee Baum was affected by two gay people marrying each other. It’s not. Period. Which is why he won’t touch it, because it’s an admission that he is wrong. No one forced Brad to marry a woman. No one forces a man to marry another man. People decide for themselves who they want to marry themselves. That is equality. The right and ability for two people who love each other, and are committed to each other to be able to enjoy the same legal rights that others enjoy. There is nothing wrong with that. I have never in my life met a straight couple who was denied marriage. I have met plenty of gay people who were denied that right.

            “Why don’t you elaborate for us on this “common sense”? By characterizing the issue as a problem of “inner cities,” you obviously don’t know what you are talking about.”

            Brad’s right, my bad. I wrote “inner cities”, what I should have said was “anywhere Black people live in the United States” to be more in line with Brad’s rationale. Sorry about that. Allow me to expand. By common sense, what I mean is that I have met tons and tons of very smart sounding, highly educated people with extensive backgrounds in all sorts of sciences and other fields that I’d never stand a chance of hoping of even coming close to holding a candle to their intelligence. Unfortunately, all of the book smarts in the world doesn’t matter if you can’t apply all of the knowledge in a meaningful way IRL. Brad has a website devoted to the “Intelligent Racist” approach, ala Jared Taylor, Richard Spencer, etc.. You read Occidental Dissent and it sounds like he’s sooooo intelligent. There are so many facts, and links, and charts, and graphs; how could he possibly be wrong? Well, it’s because for all of that information, Brad is biased. He is biased to find a pre-determined conclusion. Occidental Dissent is the greatest proof there is to the already admitted truth that Brad is a racist and a White Supremacist. Brad calls African Americans, “The Black Undertow”. I’d be willing to bet Brad does not have one Black friend IRL. So how can Brad be such an expert on what it’s like to be Black, or what causes problems in “the Black community”, wherever that might be (Suburb, Exurb, Inner City, Rural country). All communities have problems. White communities have problems too. I’m much more interested in discovering how to solve the problems of the global community, and by that I mean all of us living on this planet. Brad thinks about the world in terms of everything being a small community, whereas I think about the world in terms of all of us sharing this big ball. Since we are all sharing it, and none of us has any more right to live here than another, in my mind, your problems are my problems and vice-versa. We should be working together to solve all of our problems. In that respect, in my opinion, it’s pretty clear that even though Brad is probably far more educated than I am, I think he’s so wrong about all of his conclusions to problems he sees in the world. Now don’t misunderstand me, I’m not claiming to be an expert on what the causes of various problems in all of these different smaller communities of people are either. I do look at what Brad offers as “proof” and find a completely different conclusion. So who is right? Am I better than Brad? I don’t know. Only time will tell which of us is right. But I’m not going to spend every waking hour of my day scrolling through You Tube looking for videos of Black or White people peeing on buses so that I can run around and say, “Look how uncivilized these people are”. That’s the entire reason why I posted two videos of what looks like two different White people doing the exact same thing as the example Brad posted of a Black person doing it, because, well, what’s your point? Apparently Brad’s point is that he has no point. Brad wants to run around sounding all Bell Curve and HBD, yelling about this groups IQ versus this groups IQ, but at the end of the day, what does that have to do with equality? Absolutely nothing. Because Brad is purposely trying to muddle the argument with unimportant facts. Equality, as I stated before is the idea that different people are treated equally, not that they are physically equal. (When Blacks were fighting against segregated bussing, they just wanted to be able to sit in the same darn seats that your ancestors sat in. Really, is that so dang horrible?) Even though they are in a lot of ways physically equal as well. Admittedly we are not all the same physically either. But what does that prove in context to legal equality? Nothing. Equality under the law is what we’re working for Brad, we don’t mean that you can jump higher, or they can sing better. But Brad knows that. This purposeful deception is no mistake. Brad has no argument without it.

            Finally, Brad is right again. Someone always does have to be the villain. I am the villain, and so are you. We’re all the villain, and that’s why we all need to work together to make the world a more loving, inclusive, and peaceful place for everyone. I don’t harbor any ill will towards Brad or his family. I am not a perfect person and I don’t have all of the answers, but I am willing to improve our world and work towards making it a better place. We’re going to miss the mark much more often than we are going to hit it, but when we miss the mark it gives us a reason to keep trying to hit it. I reject Brad’s thinking. I think Brad’s ideas are disgusting and reprehensible. I think Brad is a hollow, empty shell. I hope that one day Brad will learn what empathy is, what love is. Brad, I hope that one day you will have a change of heart, I really hope you do.

    • Spelunker October 2, 2014 / 11:35 am

      Brad has an agenda. A White Supremacist agenda.

    • Brad Griffin October 2, 2014 / 2:01 pm

      Oh, do you mean in cities like Birmingham, Detroit, St. Louis and Pittsburgh?

      All of those places moved on and created different industries. Birmingham, for example, used to be a steel city. Now it has an economy based on financial services, telecommunications, and healthcare. The White blue collar workers who used to live in Birmingham now live north of town in suburbs like Gardendale or “Over the Mountain” in places like Hoover and Homewood or further south in suburbs like Alabaster in Shelby County.

      St. Louis is another example. The blue collar Whites who used to work in those well paying, secure, unionized jobs – like at the old GM plant – moved west to St. Charles County or south to Jefferson County. Wherever the Whites go who used to work in those blue collar working class jobs, safety and prosperity has followed, whether it was Ferguson before 1990, or St. Peters today.

      Montgomery provides a useful contrast. Unlike Birmingham, Montgomery was never a blue collar industrial steel city, but the Black Undertow here has invariably reproduced the same living conditions as in Birmingham. The same is true in small towns in the Black Belt like Selma and Tuskegee.

      Pittsburgh was the steel capital of America. In spite of the decline of the steel industry, Pittsburgh is nothing like Detroit, and neither are the White suburbs in Oakland County which are similarly doing fine.

  8. Matt McKeon October 2, 2014 / 2:26 pm

    White supremacists always make the best argument against white supremacy.

  9. Matt McKeon October 2, 2014 / 2:27 pm

    White supremacists always are the best argument against white supremacy.

  10. Jessie Alan Sanford October 2, 2014 / 7:19 pm

    Matt just because you don’t agree with someones point of view they are “White supremacists” ?What a fascist way to look at things.

  11. Breck O'Donnell October 3, 2014 / 5:43 am

    They’re not white supremacists because they disagree with him. They’re white supremacists because they advocate white supremacist viewpoints, such as advocacy for racial discrimination and modern day “white nationalism,” to quote Mr. Wallace himself. You’ve seen Mr. Wallace’s website I assume? He outright says all of this.

    I’m not sure if I hope that you realize the inherent irony in calling someone else a fascist while defending white supremacists.

    • Brad Griffin October 3, 2014 / 10:05 am

      Why don’t you allow me to describe my views?

      It depends upon what you mean by “white supremacist.” If by “white supremacist,” you are saying that I believe that White Southerners should have their own nation, then I have no problem with your characterization. Nationalism is inherently “supremacist” in that it always involves some given ethnic group – the Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, etc – making a “supreme” claim to some given territory. It means saying this land is ours, not yours.

      Now, if you are saying that I am a “white supremacist” because I believe that Whites are inherently *better* than every other race in every respect, I don’t believe that at all. It would be more accurate to say that I am untroubled by the existence of inequality which I see as natural.

      Do you enjoy college football? I’m a fan myself. I can watch an integrated SEC football game and have no problem at all watching a black person excel at the position of running back while thousands of White fans cheer him on. Black people succeed under integration where their capabilities allow them to do so.

      “Institutional racism” makes no sense. It is a progressive conspiracy theory which holds that, for example, the University of Alabama invests enormous resources in cultivating black talent on the football field, but is simultaneously holding black people down in math and science.

  12. Lyle Smith October 3, 2014 / 9:15 am


    How could a guy like Piyush “Bobby” Jindal become the governor of a deep South state, if there wasn’t some modicum of racial equality in the United States?

    You’re smartly observant of some things and yet you apparently fail to observe many other things about your native South.

    • Brad Griffin October 3, 2014 / 12:18 pm

      I’m defining “racial equality” as the theory that all races, collectively, have exactly the same measurable level of intelligence and capabilities, and that whatever differences we observe between them can be attributed to the environment, usually to some type of oppression like “institutional racism.”

      The great gulf in the human species between the major races (not counting minor races like Australian aborigines or the Hottentots) is between black sub-Saharan Africans and everyone else. The various peoples of India run from Caucasian (like Bobby Jindal) to Australoid in their ancestry.

      You are referring to racial attitudes here. Obviously, racial attitudes have changed significantly since the Jim Crow era. I’ve never said otherwise. Belief in racial equality now far outstrips the evidence for it.

      • Jimmy Dick October 4, 2014 / 7:59 am

        There is no great gulf between races. That is pure fiction. Here’s something for you to chew on. In the US Army we have a force that works on the principle of equality. It works well. When racists raise their heads up in the military we throw them out of the service. Oddly enough, when everyone is given the same chance to advance based upon their individual merits race does not matter. So your imaginary beliefs fail when held to the light of equality.

        • Hunter Wallace October 4, 2014 / 11:08 am

          Sorry to disappoint you, but the same stubborn racial gap also exists in the US military, which has changed the AFQT to make it easier for blacks. In particular, l notice “the light of equality” doesn’t appear to be shining on the Navy SEALS or Air Force pilots in spite of affirmative action.

          There’s no data to support “equality.” It is an imaginary condition which is incapable of being observed. If its true what you say that “racists” are thrown out of the US military, I guess we will have to attribute their underperformance to their inherent capabilities rather than to any conspiracy theory like “institutional racism.”

          • Jimmy Dick October 4, 2014 / 12:11 pm

            Guess you just make up whatever you want to believe in. The US Army does have stats on this stuff and you ignore it. That’s normal for you because you lie all the time about everything.

            Too bad you can’t serve the US in the military. You might learn something, but then you don’t want to. You’re too busy lying. Also, you wouldn’t be allowed to join.

          • Hunter Wallace October 4, 2014 / 10:52 pm

            Feel free to cite those stats anytime and make a substantial argument.

            LMAO, do you seriously think that I of all the people you know would ever want to serve in Obama’s military?

          • Spelunker October 4, 2014 / 1:58 pm

            I observed equality yesterday when I saw a White person and a Black person riding together in the front of a bus, come again?

          • Hunter Wallace October 4, 2014 / 10:50 pm

            I’m not going to post the videos here, but those who are interested in seeing who rides integrated public transportation now can check out several recent posts on my website.

          • Christopher Shelley October 4, 2014 / 3:09 pm

            Last time I checked, Jimmy actually served. I’d say he’s a little more knowledgeable in this department.

          • Jimmy Dick October 4, 2014 / 5:39 pm

            Two white boys from the South thought burning a cross in front of a barracks in 1983 was a great idea and would keep blacks in line. Two white boys from the South got thrown out of the service on their asses with bad conduct discharges. There have been cases where military installation commanders have ordered strip searches of all personnel to identify extremist tattoos when cells have popped up.

          • Hunter Wallace October 4, 2014 / 10:53 pm

            This would seem to contradict the theory of institutional racism holding back black people.

      • Lyle Smith October 6, 2014 / 8:07 am


        So what should intelligent and well educated black Southerners like Thomas Sowell and Elbert Guillory do? Do you not like watching them excel at what they’re doing just like you enjoy watching the Alabama football team excel? Should they pretend to be something less than what they are? Certainly not all cultures are created equal. Some cultures can even be described as degenerate. Just look at the Islamic State and its supporters today. As far as I can tell though there aren’t any degenerate races of people. It’s not their race that fails them, but the culture they’re raised in or the culture they create.for themselves that fails them.

  13. Jessie Alan Sanford October 3, 2014 / 10:02 am

    Looked up his blog. I retract my statement above should have done a little research before commenting. Thanks for the reply.

    • Jimmy Dick October 3, 2014 / 12:01 pm

      I may disagree with you, Jesse on many matters, but I would not consider you to be a racist piece of scum like those two cockroaches are. I think you can easily see what kind of world those people want.

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