Nick Saban Comes Out Against the Confederate Flag

That’s right … the coach of the University of Alabama’s football team, Nick Saban, comes out against the display of the Confederate Battle Flag.

The same University of Alabama where there was this governor named George Wallace who tried to prevent African Americans from attending that university. Governor Wallace was fond of that flag.

Funny, isn’t it, that passionate supporters of both the University of Alabama’s football program and the Confederate flag don’t put those things together? I wonder why they don’t call for a return to the old days of an all-white football team. Even Bear Bryant thought otherwise in his own deliberate way.

But there will always be some people who put bigotry and their mindless embrace of what they pretend is “heritage” above common sens and human decency.

Like this Alabama fan:

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Oh, yes, I’m sure this is all about heritage, not hate. Riiiight.

20 thoughts on “Nick Saban Comes Out Against the Confederate Flag

  1. Lyle Smith July 16, 2015 / 9:11 pm

    Nick Saban is a good man.

    • John Foskett July 17, 2015 / 7:12 am

      Let’s not go too far. Just ask the assistants who worked for him at Michigan State, the clerical staff in the Dolphins’ offices, etc. Guess how he got the nickname “Nick the D–k”.

      • Lyle Smith July 17, 2015 / 8:24 am


        • John Foskett July 17, 2015 / 9:34 am

          The “fools” might be those who buy into Saban’s carefully crafted image. Or maybe you have some facts regarding the incidents to which I’m referring.

          • Lyle Smith July 17, 2015 / 11:22 am

            Oh, I know about Nick Saban’s demanding work ethic.

            It isn’t a coincidence, I think, you are writing about the two teams he didn’t win it all with. That probably says more about Michigan State and the Dolphins then it says about Saban.

          • John Foskett July 17, 2015 / 2:21 pm

            My point wasn’t about whether he “won it all” at those places or not. (In fact, he turned Sparty around, which is how he was able to bolt for LSU before taking the next step in East Lansing). My point is about how he treated some underlings – and it had nothing to do with Saint Nick being the only one in the room who wanted to pay the price needed to win.

          • Lyle Smith July 17, 2015 / 6:37 pm

            I understood you the first time John.

  2. OhioGuy July 16, 2015 / 9:22 pm

    Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t Wallace repent of his racism later in life? I know that Strom Thurmond did to the degree that the SC NAACP voted to give him an award for his support of historically black colleges, which the national organization shamelessly refused to let them confer. If one confesses a sin and then shows a complete change of direction in terms of action the Americsn people will usual forgive. I think this should apply to x-racists as well as x-cons.

    • Brooks D. Simpson July 16, 2015 / 10:21 pm

      I will let you take charge of the Connie Chastain repentance watch.

      • OhioGuy July 17, 2015 / 6:18 am

        I may have a long wait for that one! 😊🇺🇸

    • Bert July 17, 2015 / 3:59 am

      I think Wallace’s change of heart had a lot more to do with him hearing the footsteps of the Grim Reaper catching up to him, and wanting history to judge him more kindly when he was gone. But I understand what you mean about repentance and forgiveness.

      About the topic in general, in some ways this isn’t too surprising. Sports sometimes have been ahead of the curve on these issues. Coaches, managers, etc., saw the African-Americans on their teams as fellow human beings before others were able to do so. Still a gutsy move by Saban considering where he lives.

  3. Ken Noe July 17, 2015 / 5:25 am

    Imagine Harvey Updyke’s existential crisis right now.

  4. Leo July 17, 2015 / 11:14 am

    The coaches at Mississippi State and Ole Miss (University of Mississippi) have come out in favor of a new state flag and the crap really hit the fan here. Social media is exploding with plenty of critical comments and rants to have the coaches fired. Most of the negative stuff is saying the coaches shouldn’t be getting into political stuff because it’s not their job and they should just stuck with football. I’m sure both men will be getting lots of hate mail and even some death threats.

    This is one of my favorite comments posted by someone called “Ejm”.

    “good for you, but a lot of people do not agree with that position…..a university should represent the entire state, and by taking a position he is dismissing those who do not agree. Just as you would be pissed if he supported the current flag. Universities should be apolitical and avoid divisive issues and splintering their alumni, fans and supporters.”

    I’m sure you can see the flaw in his thinking already. If a university is supposed to “represent the entire state” and “avoid divisive issues”, I wonder what state flags are supposed to do.

    • SF Walker July 18, 2015 / 6:45 am

      Georgia’s legislature found a novel solution to this years ago. By selecting the Stars and Bars, they allowed Confederate symbolism to occupy the whole field of the flag instead of just half of it. Perhaps they were hedging their bets on the ignorance of the media and the general public. If so, it worked. Their state flag seems to have escaped all criticism in this backlash.

  5. Joshism July 17, 2015 / 12:15 pm

    That image/meme from Connie’s Facebook is a telling example, and not about racial connotations. The Rebel flag is a rallying point for generally anti-government folks, the kind of people who use the term “jackbooted”. The kind of people who live with a perpetual fear and/or obsession about the secretly fascist and/or communist government conspiring to take things from them – slaves, guns, money, land, freedom.

    150 years ago it was a symbol of defiance against the Black Republicans who wanted to take their property, force interracial breeding, and put their daughters under the perpetual danger of black animalistic lust.

    50 years ago it was a symbol of defiance against a Federal government that wanted to force white people and black people to share schools, beaches, and public transportation – all while the menace of Communism lurked in the shadows.

    Today it is a symbol of defiance against our socialist tyrants who want to turn us all into atheist Communists, pay for welfare moms, and take our guns.

    So in a way I think Connie and her ilk are partly right and the Rebel flag at its core isn’t really a flag of racism; it’s actually flag of delusion. It’s a flag waved by people who imagine themselves as fun-and-freedom-loving Duke Boys fighting a corrupt, inept Boss Hogg Federal Government when in reality they are Don Quixotes, tilting at windmills they imagine to be monsters, believing themselves heroes when everyone else can see they are just sad fools.

    • Brooks D. Simpson July 17, 2015 / 12:40 pm

      There’s something to that … but it’s clearly not about the heritage of Confederate service in these contexts.

    • Andy Hall July 17, 2015 / 1:22 pm

      “. . . inept Boss Hogg Federal Government”

      Do you remember Boss Hogg’s full name?

  6. OhioGuy July 18, 2015 / 8:08 am

    I think that there are at least three different categories of folks who display the CBF:

    1. True believers in the myth of the Lost Cause. These folks think the insurrection was not about slavery but some undefined general “states’ rights.” They believe Bobby Lee to be a saint, or even a Christ-like figure, with Stonewall Jackson and J.E.B. Stuart on his right and left hand. They believe that the CSA was a sovereign nation, not as Lincoln called it a “a so-callled confederate government.” These folks are also likely to believe in the black Confederate myth, because this absolves their ancestors from the charge or being racists and distances themselves from the horrors of the KKK.

    2. The League of the South types who really want to bring back the “good old days” of white supremacy and the romanticized ways of the Old South. These types are much more to be feared than the first group. While the two groups share a distorted sense of history, the first group is trying to convince themselves that there is no racism in the CBF, while this second group is actually proud of their racist past and wants to bring it back.

    3. Those who use the CBF has a symbol of opposition to various excessive policies of our current government, or more generally just defiance against authority in general. These folks range from militant anti-government types to those who are just expressing some kind of teenage-level rebellion against authority, with many gradations in between. Within this group are those in the North who have the flag on a front bumper. Most of them haven’t the foggiest notion of supporting Confederate heritage, they just want to be a “rebel without a cause.”

  7. OhioGuy July 18, 2015 / 3:49 pm

    I probably should have included a fourth group — Northern A-holes. An example of this would be the man who has a house just behind the Frost GAR Hall, in the little burg of Frost, Ohio, in Athens County. This is one of only three still extant GAR halls in Ohio that are still used by descendant groups such as the Sons of Union Veterans or Daughters of Union Veterans. This man tried to buy the GAR Hall to use as a bar. When he discovered it wasn’t for sale, he got angry and started flying the CBF behind the hall in order to tick off the SUV members. In this he was successful, so I guess in his mind it proved his manhood or something. I’m a member of this SUV Camp and it is a point of some consternation.

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