The Virginia Flaggers Bow to the Virginia Division, SCV

Today the Facebook page for the Virginia Flaggers carried this important reminder:
VF Concession One

Now, one may debate the merits of this claim, but apparently the Virginia Flaggers endorse it wholeheartedly. So it’s worthwhile to remind ourselves what the Virginia Division of the SCV says about the Virginia Flaggers and its sister organization:
VF Concession TwoNote that the SCV just met in Richmond and the national organization did not object to this resolution.

So the Virginia Flaggers now find themselves (by their own concession) agreeing that the SCV gets to interpret the Confederate flag … and the organization now finds itself, by its own choice, alongside the KKK and the NAACP as groups cited for misusing Confederate heritage for their own ends.

Very interesting.

10 thoughts on “The Virginia Flaggers Bow to the Virginia Division, SCV

  1. Laqueesha July 21, 2015 / 3:46 pm

    Interesting their logo says “sic semper tyrannis” on it, considering C.S. slavers were the ultimate manifestation of tyranny. Or perhaps they’re just John Wilkes Booth fans.

    • Dave Jordan July 21, 2015 / 5:24 pm

      The image (including sic semper tyrannis) is part of the Virginia state seal, The seal (including the quote) also appears on the Virginia state flag. “Sic semper tyrannis” is the official motto of the state of Virginia. The seal was adopted long before the Civil War. Booth was quoting the motto after the assassination.

      A joke referencing the image on the seal that dates back as far back as the Civil War, is that “Sic semper tyrannis” actually means “Get your foot off my neck.”

  2. Sandi Saunders July 21, 2015 / 3:47 pm

    I am very heartened to read that declaration and I hope they follow through on it because those are some of the people most damaging their brand and cheapening their reverence. They need to do much more of that kind of thing (towards the LOS) and kick out people who straddle the two worlds that should have nothing to do with each other.

    They also need to get honest and stop telling other people they are ignorant of history, truth and facts because that is just not the case. Southern pride requires far more integrity than many of them show and it requires telling the painful truth they deny but cannot.

  3. Jimmy Dick July 21, 2015 / 5:27 pm

    Sorry Flaggers, but you got it wrong again. First of all, the interpretation of anything is open to the public. That is exactly what happens with symbols. Public perception is everything and it cannot be controlled by anyone. You can say what you want, but that CBF is subject to interpretation by anyone whether you like it or not. Since it has been used in the way it has over the years, don’t be surprised that is labeled as racist.

    Second, the true history of the Civil War? It began with slavery. It was caused by slavery. It ended with slavery being eliminated in this nation. It was not over state’s rights, the tariff, economics, or anything else but slavery. Until you get that part correct, you are not talking about the true history of the Civil War.

    Basically, the lost cause is a lie. Get rid of it and you can go a long way to solving problems. Until then, you’re just whistling Dixie and badly off key.

    • Brooks D. Simpson July 21, 2015 / 5:38 pm

      By the Virginia Flaggers conceding that the SCV is the final and sole arbiter of the correct understanding of the CBF, it therefore also concedes that it can judge others not to treat it properly … including the Virginia Flaggers.

      • Rblee22468 July 21, 2015 / 6:21 pm

        Do we know why they were denounced besides the long history of embarrassing antics reminiscent of a third grade child?

        Do we know why Tripp Lewis was booted from the SCV?

        • Andy Hall July 22, 2015 / 8:22 am

          “Do we know why Tripp Lewis was booted from the SCV?”

          My recollection is that Lewis was accused of being disrespectful or insulting to the Virginia Division leadership. That sounds kind of trivial and petty, but it may also be that they were looking for a an excuse to formally disassociate themselves from his other antics.

  4. Sandi Saunders July 21, 2015 / 7:57 pm

    I made the effort to read the Resolution on their FB page and it was almost a bloodbath. WOW, they turn on each other just like they do anyone who gainsays their politically correct version of the Confederacy and the War. For a brief moment in time I had hope that my ancestors would have some worthy SCV’s again…but that was dashed. They WANT to be reviled, they want to be ‘in your face’, they want to secede and go to war again. I should have known better. Sometimes I am like Charlie Brown, falling for that football gag again. The flaggers turned floggers was a sad spectacle. Lesson learned.

  5. Andy Hall July 25, 2015 / 9:01 am

    The author of that first essay is not “unknown.” It was almost certainly Clifton Palmer McLendon, who’s been posting variations of it regularly since 2008. McLendon is a silly man, but that’s no reason for the Virginia Flaggers not to credit him as the likely author.

    As to the larger argument, the Confederate Heritage movement needs to stop fellating Stephen Dill Lee’s dessicated corpse and start making arguments that actually resonate with Americans in the 21st century. You don’t win over hearts and minds by telling people that a group comprising roughly one-one hundredth of one percent of the population is the only group with the “right” to say what the Confederate flag “means.”

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