The League of the South Calls for Violence?

Well … you tell me …

Hill Manifesto 1215

And then there’s this …

Hill guns flags


Then again, Michael Hill is rather fond of Pat Hines. That’s right, Pat Hines.

Hill and Hines
Here’s Michael Hill and Pat Hines.

Now, if there are folks out there who want to remind me that the recent mass murders at San Bernardino, California, are “Why I Do Not Want Islam In the United States” (right, Connie Chastain?) … meaning that she believes that all people of that faith are potential terrorists, then what are we to make of southern nationalists like herself … given that the threat of violence is the current trademark of the League of the South (an organization that has called Ms. Chastain a member more than once)?

Yet you won’t have Ms. Chastain take Hines seriously. Why is that? Skeered that she’d fall out of favor with her fellow white nationalists? Or is it okay for people to threaten terrorist violence, so long as they are white people like Ms. Chastain? Or maybe she just doesn’t like children unless they are sweet (white) southern boys.

Nor is that all. If Ms. Chastain really believes that we must condemn a whole religion because of the horrible behavior of a few people who profess allegiance to these ideas, then she needs to notice how Hill reminds us all the time that his understanding of the South he wants is not only white but also Christian. Thus it stand to reason that unless Ms. Chastain is a bigoted hypocrite, she wants Christians ousted from the United States to protect Americans from violent acts.

We believe that these mass killings and the threat of more mass killings have become a problem that must be addressed, even as we are aware that it will be a difficult process that will rouse intense debate. But for someone to rant about San Bernardino as a way to attack Islam while ignoring what sparked Dylann Roof (enamored of the Confederacy) and Michael Hill & Pat Hines (see above), to say nothing of complete silence concerning Colorado Springs … well, it’s just more evidence that Connie Chastain isn’t outraged about mass murders (actual and threatened) unless she can cultivate her bigotry.

[UPDATE: Note: Ms. Chastain labels these mass killings as terrorism. Fine by me. She’s thus admitting that the League of the South’s Hines advocates terrorism, and she’s not all that bothered by it. At most she thinks it’s tactically flawed.]

And that, folks, is why Confederate heritage has become what it is … not about honoring service, but about political activism in pursuit of a particular agenda.

I don’t think Susan Hathaway or the Virginia Flaggers will disavow this, either. After all, we know who does their heavy hitting … Connie Chastain.



23 thoughts on “The League of the South Calls for Violence?

  1. Rblee22468 December 5, 2015 / 5:50 am

    Ol’ Mike is really off his rocker lately. He’s been speaking in riddles. That’s because he’s likely attracted the attention of the Alphabets. His postings have grown increasingly more cryptic. I heard it through the grapevine that this year was all about the Confederate rag for the LOSers, but that next year it’s all about Islam. They are trying to read the tea leaves and adapt with whatever the flavor of the day is to try and stay relevant. The problem is, they’ve never been relevant, and they are never going to be.

    Their Anti-Islamic theme next year should put them on a parallel course with the South’s #1 bag of hot air. It should make for an interesting year.

    • Andy Hall December 5, 2015 / 11:47 am

      Ol’ Mike is really off his rocker lately. He’s been speaking in riddles. That’s because he’s likely attracted the attention of the Alphabets. His postings have grown increasingly more cryptic.

      Hill is smart enough not to make a direct incitement to violence, at least to the degree that is likely to bring law enforcement down on his head in a serious way. Same for Hines, who’s unlikely to do anything that will endanger his pension as a retired employee of the federal government he supposedly despises.

      At the same time, though, the League of the South and the secessionist movement have gained virtually zero political traction, at least in terms of elected officials who actively advocate secession, in the 20+ years of the LoS’s existence. (The last, I think, was Loy Mauch in Arkansas, a one-term state representative who was since publicly distanced himself from the LoS.) They really do have little concrete to show for their efforts, apart from the occasional curbside flag-waving session in Wetumpka, Alabama, and lots of angry, mutual fluffing sessions on social media.

      But with an absence of real accomplishments to point to, people like Hill and Hines have to find another way to keep their followers motivated, and so they continually stir the pot with angrier and angrier rhetoric. And therein lies the danger of this business — they’re going to keep whipping up the craziness until some not-quite-so level-headed person turns their words into actions and kills somebody. We saw this 20 years ago, when the militia movement helped inspire and, at least indirectly, inspire two U.S. citizens, both veterans, to blow up the federal building in Oklahoma City. We’ve already had one terrorist incident in which the perpetrator explicitly cited the LoS ally, the Council of Conservative Citizens, as setting him off on the ideology that led him to murder, and it’s easy to see that happening here. Hill really is playing with fire, but he’s not the one who’s going to get burned.

  2. Patrick Young December 5, 2015 / 5:51 am

    The desire of the League of the South for armed conflict in America is frightening. We have seen a half-dozen politically motivated shooting this year by people radicalized and activated by Tweets and facebook posting, and trained on blogs. Terror, of course leads to terror.

  3. Sandi Saunders December 5, 2015 / 8:23 am

    She carries the banner for white supremacy, secession and violence to achieve it. Period.

  4. The Lamp December 5, 2015 / 8:58 am

    Michael Hill looks like he’s PUI= posting under the influence. He’s on this way to becoming the next Glenn Miller aka Rounder.

  5. Sherree December 5, 2015 / 9:31 am

    Serious question:

    Why is this type of speech allowed on the Internet? It is clearly meant to incite violence. That negates free speech protection. Doesn’t it?

    • Lyle Smith December 5, 2015 / 1:22 pm

      What he is saying is protected under the First Amendment. Like Andy says, the incitement to violence must be more direct that what Dr. Hill has written. Although, Facebook (I believe that is a Facebook post) could suppress what he is saying, if they so choose.

      • Sherree December 6, 2015 / 6:02 am


        How about the joyful, peaceful Christmas post? Also protected?

        We have covered this before, yet it does not seem to change anything. We know that Dylann Roof was heavily influenced by the postings on Internet hate websites. Maybe some legal experts could challenge postings such as these. Or, a group like Anonymous, with the technological know-how,
        jam their postings with images of–oh, I don’t know–a real Christmas message of peace, maybe? It seemed to work in Belgium when images of cats took over the air waves in order to thwart Isis.

    • Andy Hall December 5, 2015 / 2:00 pm

      Hill and Hines are like the people who gather on the sidewalk when they see some distraught person out on a high ledge. Soon they begin chanting, “Jump! Jump! Jump!” And then when the person does, they walk away, assuring each other that they themselves bear no moral responsibility for what happened. It’s obscene.

  6. Lyle Smith December 5, 2015 / 9:59 am

    As far as I can tell, Connie consistently espouses non-violence. She hasn’t committed any acts of violence and has denounced specific incidents of it. More power to her.

    Nevertheless, Connie’s apologetics are comparable to say a group like CAIR’s apologetics, who regularly apologize for all manner of Islamist degeneracy. She apologizes for supremacist nonsense just like CAIR does.

    • Brooks D. Simpson December 5, 2015 / 12:38 pm

      Her selective outrage and blind spots are noted. That she doesn’t advocate violence does not mean that she denounces it, however, unless it suits her agenda. The result damages the prospects for Confederate heritage by linking its defenders to such people.

      • Lyle Smith December 5, 2015 / 1:04 pm

        I agree with you. That’s what make her somewhat comparable to the spokespeople for CAIR.

  7. Rblee22468 December 7, 2015 / 5:37 am

    Boy, you really got to Connie with this one! Four blog posts for just this one post. That could be some sort of record.

    • Brooks D. Simpson December 7, 2015 / 8:13 am

      Sadly, it’s not. But it’s clear I’ve hit a sore spot.

    • Mousy Tongue December 7, 2015 / 9:29 am

      Sounds like she’s jealous Olaf picked Susan. Especially after Olaf wrote her to make sure it’s OK like she’s Susan’s personal secretary (although that may be true).

      • Brooks D. Simpson December 7, 2015 / 10:16 am

        The fact is that the Virginia Flaggers use a white supremacist anti Semitic sheet to call for funds. Neither Susan Hathaway nor Connie Chastain denies this, and Hathaway has not protested to appearance of her articles in that newsletter (neither have the other Flaggers).

        You would think that if they deplored bigotry, they would go after such bigots with at least half the venom they reserve for me. But they don’t, and on occasion they don’t mind doing business with racists to plant flagpoles.

        No amount of “heavy hitting” gets around those facts.

  8. Andy Hall December 7, 2015 / 5:10 pm

    Hill’s closing — “Hail Victory!” — is really more effective in the original German.

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