13 thoughts on “New Orleans City Council Votes to Remove Monuments to Three Confederates and White Supremacist Mob

  1. Jimmy Dick December 17, 2015 / 9:27 pm

    Full ownership does not mean the city cannot remove the statues and return them to the groups that own them. The groups can choose to display them on private property. I do know that if it were up to me, I’d erect signage pointing out that Lee, Davis, and Beauregard were traitors to the United States of America and that the Liberty Place monument is a symbol of racism and white supremacy. Then I would also wall them off from sight.

    How about a nice sign that says, “We don’t glorify treason by traitors.” Also, “We don’t glorify murdering scum like the White League.”

  2. OhioGuy December 17, 2015 / 10:08 pm

    I really have mixed emotions about this one. On one level I feel it’s high time that these traitors be taken off their Lost Cause pedestals (literally and figuratively), as that will make it easier to teach the true history of the late insurrection. However, I also am against destruction of things historical, and these statues and monuments are in themselves now historical relics. I guess on balance I would be more in favor of keeping these monuments/statues in place but placing nearby them explanatory signage that would clearly describe the dastardly actions of these men and the bankruptcy of the cause for which they fought — dismembering the Union in order to preserve African slavery.

  3. The Lamp December 17, 2015 / 11:34 pm

    *munching on hot butthurt popcorn*

  4. Derek December 17, 2015 / 11:54 pm

    Did Lee ever visit New Orleans? And if he did, the connection would still seem tenuous at best.

  5. James F. Epperson December 18, 2015 / 5:40 am

    The monument to the postwar clash should be ground in to dust.

  6. Rick Whaley December 18, 2015 / 7:04 am

    The slave owners rebellion is at last understood for what it was. The largest act of treason and sedition in American history. There is nothing glorious or of value in extolling the virtues of the slave owning South. Take these monuments and break them up. In so doing we can take one step away from the idea of state rights and the embedded racism behind America’s shame.

    • OhioGuy December 18, 2015 / 10:19 am

      Wait a minute, the South loved a strong Federal government didn’t care a hoot for states’ rights when the U.S. government was enforcing the fugitive slave law.

  7. bob carey December 19, 2015 / 10:12 am

    The retreat of the “Lost Cause” continues, with it the retreat of Confederate Heritage in as much as this heritage is based on “lost cause” beliefs and falsehoods.

    • OhioGuy December 19, 2015 / 12:44 pm

      Excellent observation and point!

  8. Noma December 19, 2015 / 8:27 pm

    Thomas Hamlin Hubbard is generally noted for his part in helping build the dam which rescued David Dixon Porter’s fleet during the Red River Campaign in 1863. But he also showed some heroism in the following century — when he spoke out against the tendency of U.S. politicians to honor the Civil War service of those who had fought against the Union.

    As we think of the “Lost Cause” statues coming down in New Orleans, one can only wish that his view had prevailed before they ever went up.

    quote from “Thomas Hamlin Hubbard: Bvt Brigadier General U.S. Vols” by Henry S Burrage – 1923:

    **************************

    I have in my library a printed copy of a paper entitled “The Lost Cause,” which General Hubbard read at a meeting of the New York Commandery December 11, 1912.

    In the preceding month the United Daughters of the Confederacy laid the corner stone of a monument in honor of the Confederate dead in Arlington cemetery, a part of General Lee’s old estate across the Potomac from Washington.

    By invitation, President Taft delivered one of the addressed on this occasion, in which he told his hearers they were not there to mourn at the bier of “a lost cause,” but to celebrate the heroism, courage and sacrifice of the men of the South, adding that North and South alike should rejoice in the common heritage of courage left by the war.

    General Hubbard [said he] could give hearty approval to any mention of Confederate fighting qualities in the Civil War. But the speaker was the president of the United States, and in his paper, General Hubbard, insisting that the valor and heroism of the Confederates were no part of “the lost cause,” questioned the fitness of the president’s sentimental recognition of a memorial in honor of which his presence and words had been asked. Among [Hubbard’s] friends were not a few who served in the Confederate army.

    “We wish for them,” he said, “all the things men wish for their friends. If their title to recognition by the nation were to depend on our affection for them, they would have national honors. But,” he added, “we cannot ask, and they would hardly ask, in the United States of America to confer honors in recognition of their efforts years ago to destroy the United States of America.”

    “Monuments, he said, have a meaning and transmit a message. They mark the achievements men approve, and commemorate those who have contributed to the achievements; accordingly, in closing his paper, as if he had future presidents in view, he stated the lesson he desired to leave in the minds of his hearers:

    “Monuments,” he said, “erected by the nation, or kept in the nation’s charge, should not carry to posterity the message that attempts upon the nation’s life are commendable or permissible… If monuments are to perpetuate the memory of failure and deserved defeat some new device must be found to perpetuate the memory of honorable achievement.”

    — Henry S. Burrage – “Thomas Hamlin Hubbard” – p. 59

  9. Noma December 21, 2015 / 12:59 pm

    Mosby on Confederate Monuments:

    “No. 28

    (illegible)
    1101 Pine St S.F.
    June 9th /’94

    Dr. A[ristides] Monteiro
    (illegible)

    Dear [doctor?] –

    I rec’d your letter today – Dr. Palmer sent me a dispatch with an account of the unveiling ceremonies. I wrote you my opinion of [Morser & Cane?] – I notice that Cane says the charge that the South went to war was for slavery is “a slanderous accusation” — I always understood that we went to war on account of the thing we quarreled with the North about – I never heard of any other cause other than slavery

    – If, or [Roser?} say so, another Yankee army is coming down to destroy those monuments – I think that we had better not raise any more – it is both a waste of money and time – I I enclose you to read a sketch I wrote some years ago – Please return it to me.

    I would have liked to have been in Richmond on the 30th to see my old friends – but I don’t think that I have the stomach to stand the oratorical nonsense that was uttered.

    Yours Truly, John Mosby ”

    http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/media_player?mets_filename=evm00003514mets.xml

  10. Rblee22468 December 22, 2015 / 8:26 am

    Thomas Taylor of the Louisiana SCV calls their opposition (many of them African American) “like animals almost”. Herein lies the problem. People like Taylor are unable to even recognize their White Supremacist attitudes and beliefs. Calling human beings who don’t agree with you “animals” is dehumanizing and is just a continuation of the attitudes that have survived the “death” of Jim Crow, which never really died.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/confederates-preservationists-new-orleans

  11. Joshism December 24, 2015 / 9:41 pm

    I think the Lee, Davis, and especially Beauregard (since he was a Louisiana Creole) statues are one thing. But attempting to defend the Liberty Place monument seems absurd. This is a great opportunity for a “Southern Heritage” group to make themselves look good by defending the 3 Confederate monuments while publicly supporting the removal of the Liberty Place obelisk, but I doubt any of them will rise to the occasion. Carpetbagger tyranny and all that.

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