Important if True … Wow.

According to a report about a New York Times report about a recent poll, nearly 20% of Donald Trump’s supporters oppose the Emancipation Proclamation (well, the issuing of “the executive order that freed all slaves in the states that were in rebellion against the federal government”).

Another 17% weren’t sure. So says the report.

Here’s the entire poll. I’m not sure I draw the same conclusions from this poll.


17 thoughts on “Important if True … Wow.

  1. Rblee22468 February 24, 2016 / 12:38 pm

    Trump said last year the flag belongs in a museum. How can one be Pro-Heritage and support a candidate who is Anti-Heritage? Yikes!

  2. Andy Hall February 24, 2016 / 1:54 pm

    They probably stopped listening to the question after “executive order.” Because ZOMG Obummer!

    Which is kind of funny in the case of Trump supporters, since his whole shtick is that he’s going to kick ass and take names through sheer force of will, without any acknowledgement that there are other branches of government with a role to play, apart from President Trump.

  3. Jerry Greenfield February 24, 2016 / 3:33 pm

    Do you suppose these people know what the “emancipation proclamation” was? and when it was issued? Do you suppose they think it’s a statement about current events? History probably a word in their vocabulary. If it is they probably think it’s anything that ocurred before last year.

  4. Bob Nelson February 24, 2016 / 5:12 pm

    This post has two polls sort of conglomerated. The one (“New York Times Report”) was an exit poll taken on February 23 in South Carolina following the Republican primary. I would consider two questions racist: (1) What should happen to illegal aliens and (2) How do you feel about banning illegal Muslims? There was no question on that poll relative to the EP. The other poll taken back in January by a group named YouGov was not a poll of Trump supporters alone but was much broader based. It had three questions on it about executive orders basically spurred (I think) by Obama’s recent statements following the shootings in January regarding him issuing an executive order to change/effect gun control in this country. 1. Do you approve or disapprove of executive orders? 2. Do you think they are constitutional or unconstitutional? 3. Do you approve or disapprove of past executive orders such as the EP, the interment of Japanese/Americans during WWII, desegregating the military & etc. As for the question on the EP, 53% strongly approved of it and 17% somewhat approved of it. So I’m not sure how you come up with your statement that “According to a New York Times report about a recent poll, nearly 20% of Donald Trump’s supporters oppose the Emancipation Proclamation (well, the issuing of ‘the executive order that freed all slaves in the states that were in rebellion against the federal government’).”

    • Brooks D. Simpson February 24, 2016 / 5:33 pm

      Read the Vox link (the second link) that characterizes the poll. That’s why I included the earlier poll and the direct link to the NYT story.

      Then read what I said about whether the report about the NYT poll made sense. “Important if True” should have been a giveaway.

  5. Shoshana Bee February 24, 2016 / 6:05 pm

    In the words of Donald Trump “I love the poorly educated!!” Apparently, they like him in return.

  6. Bob Nelson February 24, 2016 / 6:28 pm

    I read the Vox link. It does the same thing — mixes the two polls. But I completely missed your title — “Important if True.” Clever.

  7. hankc9174 February 25, 2016 / 6:54 am

    luckily, I am engaged in a 500-year-old, top-secret military time-travel experiment.

    I arrived in this dystopian society where marketing, consumerism, and mass anti-intellectualism run rampant and which lacks intellectual curiosity, social responsibility, and basic notions of justice and human rights.

    It’s an interesting place to visit but as soon as we get the thing fixed we are returning to the past.

  8. rcocean February 25, 2016 / 9:36 am

    I would love to see a poll of “Highly educated” Americans on knowledge of the Civil War. I think the results would be humorous. The truth is most Americans. no matter what their IQ don’t care about History and never have. Based on recent polls, most Americans don’t know how many SCOTUS judges there are or who wrote the Declaration of Independence. I’m sure many of them don’t know who won WW2.

  9. John Foskett February 25, 2016 / 10:06 am

    I’d like to meet the 4% who don’t know if they’re registered to vote.

  10. The Other Mark February 26, 2016 / 7:14 am

    Your “Important if True” note is the key, since it’s based on a NY Times article, which any knowledgeable analyst must assume is inaccurate in some way. If you go into the detail of the Economist/YouGov poll which can be found here

    you will find there is no breakdown for Trump supporters on the question regarding the Emancipation Proclamation. In addition, the responses are all over the map.

    Breaking the question of the EP down by race, here are the % of those who Approve followed by % of those who Disapprove:

    White: 71/13
    Black: 71/5
    Hispanic: 60/15
    Other: 69/16

    On Approve/Disapprove of Japanese internment during WWII:

    White: 18/59
    Black: 32/35
    Hispanic: 29/36
    Other: 20/57

    Now on Truman’s order desegregating the military:

    White: 61/18
    Black: 55/11
    Hispanic: 39/28
    Others: 57/17

    I suspect there are some oddities in the poll methodology, including sample size.

    • Ken Noe February 26, 2016 / 3:57 pm

      If I remember my stats for historians class correctly, 2000 respondents and a +/- 2.9 deviation actually suggest that this is a very good poll.

  11. terry6400 February 26, 2016 / 2:43 pm

    Well if you actually had read the Emancipation Proclamation you probably would reject it too. As written the document did NOT free ALL the slaves.

  12. bob carey February 26, 2016 / 3:02 pm

    I am not a Trump supporter by any means, but in fairness I don’t think he would rescind any of the 3 Executive Orders mentioned.
    I believe that the poll data identifies the segment of our society which may be racist and reactionary.
    The “politics of fear” which the current crop of Republican candidates are practicing plays to the base emotions of the under-educated and under-informed voter, much like the fire eaters did in the antebellum south.

  13. Ken Noe March 2, 2016 / 9:16 am

    Speaking of Trump supporters, I see that sometimes Flagger Matthew Heimbach is in the news again for assaulting a black woman at a Trump rally:

    • Brooks D. Simpson March 2, 2016 / 2:48 pm

      I’ve seen that in several places, but now I guess I have to say something about it.

      • Ken Noe March 2, 2016 / 4:43 pm

        Always happy to help.

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