I found this charming little meme on the hate blog known as Backsass, where it was proudly posted by the (one and only) West Florida Flagger as the first in a series of screeds:
Funny … I saw no such meme for Pensacola, where the same thing happened … people took a Confederate flag down.
Hypocrite.
Then again, what should we expect from the webmaster of a Confederate heritage group that calls on its fellow travellers to boycott businesses in Lexington, Virginia … unless one wants a hot dog or ice cream after a day trying to change hearts and minds.
The comedy continues. We now await long responses, each one increasingly bitter in tone.
UPDATE: Smarting from being called out on her hypocrisy, Chastain offered this rather weak image as her belated answer to my observation about her double standards:
Really, now, that wasn’t so hard, was it? Not that it offers a compelling message. After all, the best answer is … “Or what?”
But it’s nice to see that when I speak, Chastain jumps.
Crossroads 
Again, I find myself reminding myself that these people are supposedly serious.
I am actually looking forward to the day when I visit South Carolina. The actions of the people in demanding change that took place on July 10, 2015 have helped transform my perception of that state. The people have broken free from the shackles of a mythical past and the limitations of the racism that has impeded them for far too long. Their representatives acted on the demands of the people.
If Connie and the heritage folks want to boycott South Carolina, that is their choice. I point to the success of their similar boycott in Lexington, Virginia. I note the meme employs a pirate symbol. I have seen a similar meme where people use a pirate flag and ask if that offends people. Apparently, having butchered the history of the Civil War and failing in the attempt to convince people that the lost cause is based upon facts, the heritage folks are now shifting to the use of a different symbol for their cause.
Maybe the accent comes with the symbol? “Arr matey, now ye listen here to this tale of state’s rights and buried treasure. Ol’ Jefferson Davis and Long John Silver were buccaneers who robbed from the rich and gave to the poor whites of the South treasure and state’s rights. When these brave pirates ran afoul of the Union they buried their loot and marked the spot with an X.” Yada, yada, yada.
Nice one. I LOL’d at the end of your post.
Jimmy, what is next on your agenda now that the Confederate Flag is down?
Are you going to push for more gay rights?
Why not? Actually, I am busy working on my doctorate in education with a study of e-textbooks and mobile learning. I am promoting the flipped classroom design in community colleges as well. I’m a busy activist.
The website below summarizes how the South would have likely won the war.
http://bevinalexander.com/books/how-the-south-could-have-won-intro.htm
If the South would have been a little more aggressive on the offensive side, then the hundreds of thousands of people that died needlessly during the war years could have been avoided, and then a real compromise could have taken place between the North and the South to decide what to do with slaves.
Think about it: if the south would have won the war, then the South could have decided to free all slaves, and give them their own lands, or the South could have done exactly what the North and Lincoln wanted to do, and that was to simply colonize Africa with American blacks. The North and South felt that American blacks were far superior to African blacks on so many levels, not just genetically, but also culturally.
Except for the fact that the war was fought because of slavery. With half of their wealth tied up in slaves, the slave owners chose to secede. They had no intent of ever ending slavery. All you have to do is look at the confederate constitution to see that. They created a government that could not end slavery. The slave owners were never going to end slavery and that is that.
Jimmy, perhaps you are right about slavery continuing if the South would have won, or maybe you are wrong.
Jimmy,
I copied this from the article I linked:
Critics will reply that the CSA only began to move toward emancipation as an act of desperation in the face of imminent defeat. If so, this proves that Southern independence was more important to Confederate leaders than was the continuation of slavery, that when push came to shove they were willing to abandon slavery in order to achieve independence.
http://www.southernheritage411.com/truehistory.php?th=052
Just because the South had wording that clearly protect slavery in its Constitution does not mean they could not or would not have changed it after the war.
Bruce Levine’s book suggests that the preservation of slavery and white supremacy was more important to white southerners than independence. Having lost the former, they fought more intensely to preserve the latter.
that is just one person’s opinion. Slavery was on the down slide. Think of it like this Mr. Simpson, would we need slaves in the South now to pick cotton and do manual labor? If you can answer this for me, you will see why slavery would naturally have ended.
The problem is that your heroes didn’t feel that way when they seceded and then went to war in 1860-61. Are you telling me that they sacrificed so many lives to protect a dying institution? Wouldn’t that make them look stupid?
See, history isn’t all that easy after all, isn’t it?
Yours, Dr. Simpson
They did not move to end slavery at the end of the war, only slavery for those that would fight for them.
Might want to read that Confederate Constitution. It did have wording that prevented slavery from being eliminated.
You know, every claim you’ve made has been refuted. You’re batting a perfect 1.000 here. You ever think that instead of trying to pass off what you know as history you might want to actually learn some history? Eric Foner’s very excellent class is still available on EdX last time I checked. Plus there are these places called institutions of higher learning. Maybe you have heard of them? Some of us earned degrees in history at these places.
Well, I’m too busy reading about Abraham Lincoln to continue write about him. Guess those years on the board of directors of the Abraham Lincoln Association didn’t pay off. 🙂
Graduate students, regardless of field, are trained in basic research techniques. Some of them fail to use those tools. We’ve seen an example of the result.
I have not been refuted bu you. You have said so many things that are just wrong.
You know, Billy, people have been asking you for evidence to support your claims. You’ve been rather reluctant to provide it. Telling an American historian to read the Lincoln-Douglas debates, for example, when that historian has already blogged about the debates and edited a set of documents that includes them seems arrogant and ignorant (and, to some, remarkably stupid for someone who’s been a graduate student, regardless of field). You’ve gone on and one about your political preferences, and that discussion really belongs elsewhere. People have been patient with you, even as they see you’re a troll and have asked me to end your career here.
You’re beginning to sound like someone who lives in the Pensacola area.
BTW, here’s a report describing what your darling said about his Confederate heritage (see, folks, I’m bringing it back on topic). If anyone can claim Confederate heritage as their own, then it has the worth of toilet paper. Hint: do the research. 🙂
Brooks,
You are doing just fine. There’s a lot to read by Lincoln which makes him so interesting. Billy just continues to say things that are blatantly false and he ignores it when he is proven wrong. That reminds me of someone else who has been on these and other boards from time to time. That person said the same exact things and was proven wrong every time.
Yet, here we are again with someone trying to pass off their opinion as fact and getting proven wrong every time. Billy, go back to school.
Billy,
Your problem is that you are stuck with actual history, not a fantasy of what ‘could have been.’ This is the main problem with those of confederate heritage, the almost constant wish of a second inning, a replay of history.
Not gonna happen, my friend.
What you should focus on now is the history that is taking place now with a better attempt being asked for of it being a more fair reading than in the past.
Hold on, you’re in for one heck of a ride.
Sincerely,
Neil
Nobody knows what would of happened if the South would have won. I just wish the North would have left the South alone, or that the South would have not been so arrogant in thinking ti could easily win a war. I really am not an expert on tactics, but the South could have won if it would have used a different playbook.
Large numbers of southerners won the Civil War, or benefited from US victory. Think about it. As for one’s wishes and counterfactuals mounted 150 years later, that tells us more about the person who thus daydreams than about actual history.
Do yourself a favor and actually read Alexander’s book rather than the promotional junk on his website. If you do and if you have any background in this area, you’ll realize that Alexander’s premise has a number of large flaws – including the author’s failure to appreciate just how weak a tactician Stonewall really was. Of course, who knows how the North would have reacted to an invasion by a horde of pike-wielding Rebs.
Never underestimate the power of cats…
The irony of it all, the Mother of Secession, that suffered the most retribution when Uncle Billy and his Yankee host came calling is now not a Confederate friendly place. The times they are a-changing . . .
Or as the same prophetic musician said in another masterpiece:
“Yes, how many times must a man look up
Before he can see the sky ?
Yes, how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry ?
Yes, how many deaths will it take till he knows
That too many people have died ?
The answer my friend is blowin’ in the wind
The answer is blowin’ in the wind.”
Yes, the wind is blowing in South Carolina, and the times will never be the same again.
Neo-Confederates calling loyal Americans traitors? Excuse me while I go laugh.
The North did invade the South. I am sure that in itself in Un-Constitutional. What is so ironic to me is that the North still traded with the South during the war years.
Please exhibit the clause in the Constitution to which you refer. It’s not a long read.
I am so looking forward to this answer.
How can a country invade itself? You have a brand new definition of invasion. Are you a liberal? They always redefine things. You know, pro-life becomes anti-abortion.
Laqueesha…actually I weep.
For this O Lord, we give you thanks….
Strange thing that I’ve noticed more Confederate flags flying in Gettysburg, PA than I ever saw while traveling in South Carolina until the recent furor when “supporters of the cause” came roaring out of the woodwork. Congratulations to that state on moving into the 21st Century.
I decided to go check out Connie’s page and I’d call it a hate site. It’s obvious that she hates Muslims and gay people. She seems to be more careful about expressing her view of black people, but I can sense she holds them in contempt.
I also decided to check out a few other heritage groups on Facebook and found plenty of racists drivel. There is a post from the Mississippi SCV Mechanized Calvary about the death of a Memphis Civil rights lawyer that is ripe with hate.
SCV Mechanized Cavalry? Oh, you mean those Toyota Tacomas with CBFs hanging on the back?
Other than the broad brush of the term ‘southerners’, I see some hope for empathy.
Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Motorist_Green_Book .
Perhaps she’ll travel a mile in others shoes.
“The answer, my friend, is blowin’ in the wind”— the confederate flag blowin’ in the wind!! The answer was there in front of us all the time, to take it down.
The Governor and Lt. Governor are using dog whistle politics with the flag issue here in Mississippi. I honestly do not see a change in the future for this state simply because the governor will veto any legislative attempt to change the state flag should there be one. These two are pandering the most base elements in the state for short term gain.
Chastain now assures us that she’s on the case, and always has been. She says that her less-than-debilitating injury inflicted by her cat did not prevent her from preparing a heritage video … for that group she has nothing to do with … the Virginia Flaggers.
However, cat’s still got her tongue when it comes to denouncing threats against public officials in Virginia by what may well be a certain Confederate heritage group based in the Old Dominion threats that featured a video attacking those people.
Guess she finds that sort of activity acceptable. After all, she’s now ready to target Pensacola herself.
We await the next rant from the hate-filled heritage Ward. Understand, however …. someone who eats leftover spaghetti for breakfast may not be happy, although at least she now knows there’s a statue of Jefferson Davis in Pensacola to defend (she’s busy trying to defend a Lee statue from imagined attacks). Our literary heritage suffers.
“Or what?”
Better question should be: “Why?”
Yes, but “Or what?” leads to more Chastain bluster. “Why?” leads to mean-spirited whining. Bluster’s funnier.
Heh, agreed. 😉
Southerners? I presume they refer to the ones who are not black, have a hard-on for the C.S., and are bigoted and prejudiced.
so…only men 😉